zowrath Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 A lot of people seem to have a problem with this later mission where you encounter Reticulans in Sky armor with Rocket Launchers, but people are posting about it on many different threads that doesn't really point to the topic. So lets collect all experiences here and try together to find a way to take that base out. This is the story-specific mission where you have to retrieve the important data in russia. My first try was 2 soldiers with 75m range sniper rifles, 3 soldiers with Alien Laser Rifles and 2 with Advanced Alien Laser Rifles all weapons set to aim for best range. First of all, the aliens saw me first and fired their rockets from a greater range than my 75m sniper could see (?!), now that is some rocket. So I got wiped out, reloaded mission game and tried to disperse my soldier as the rockets where incoming kinda move, pause,move,pause to get them as far away as possible from the rockets. And when the run the get pretty far from the rockets,but they got damaged nonetheless even seemingly 20 or so meters away from the impact. The bloodsplatter was where the rocket hit, although my soldier was far far away at the time. Could it be a bug (?) So I went back to a geoscape save and reconfigured with CAWS autoshotguns that do 1440 dmg on burs at 3-7 meters and just stormed the buggers, but they where too many, although those CAWS just litteraly vaporized two of the reticulans in blue sky armor so they where effective. So a) I can't use distances since they seem to have greater range than I B) I can't make my soldiers run away from the missile impact since they hit anyway c) I can't blitz'em 'cause they're too many Reticulans in Blue Sky Armor with Rocket Launchers, the other reticulans are just a minor neusance.I'm gonna take a coffeebreak and ponder on tactics, but feel free to post what you all tried that didn't work, partially worked or just did the whole mission. Lets discuss tactics and weapons :-) Z- Oh and btw, I am playing on Hard difficulty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain John Ferigad Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 Hmm...i wasn personaly now at the Russian Base...but i would it do like that...agains a enemy with heavy weapons i would use A: Snipers..or B: Heavy Artelery. The best would be to carpet bomb the Area with Smoke Grenades, and after that bring in Heavy Artelery, Rocket launchers, Grenade launchers with fire and acid grenades, and to complete eradicate the whole area with grenades, rocket launchers and acid+napalm......and after there is burning earth..i would send in the front troopers with heavy MG Support, and kill the last aliens that survived, lay at the bottom and scream for mercy...... BUT WE HAVE NO MERCY! *reloading M4, pointing on a greay and fire* :alien2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zowrath Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share Posted October 5, 2003 Ok, I tried your approach with smokegrenades. Was going to go for the out-of-the clouds attack, having 1 grenadier, 1 smokegrenade thrower (I only got 9 smoke grenades), 2 CAWS autoshotgon soldiers doing 1440 in shortragne dmg and 3 with flamethrowers doing a massive womping 3900 dmg each on relative close range. At first this tactic seemed sound, I laued down one smoke grenade and went right in to the thick of it, then layed down another and was moving towards it keeping my troops in the middle of it at all times. And sure as heck one alien steps into the fog right next to me and with great pleassure i litteraly fried him doing 14580 dmg in one turn. Then, now thinking this strategy is it, suddenly all aliens could see me although the smokegrenades are still pouring out heaps of smoke. And then it is as the old story goes.... So, I go back to the drawingboard once again. Anyone else having any luck? :-) Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The.Donut Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 This one took me a few goes to do. However, i learnt on this mission that grenades are your friend I had a full team, 2 with sniper rifles (not sure which ones) rest had alien lasers and plenty of grenades. I ran 2 grenadiers to the left of the little hut by the gate, while the rest of my team shot up the few aliens outside the base, and i used a grenade to blow the wall down. After the wall went down i just kept throwing in looooadddss of grenades and picked off the remaining aliens with the snipers :devil: Hi btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zowrath Posted October 5, 2003 Author Share Posted October 5, 2003 I did it anyway, but no grenades. I had 1 solder with an RPG, 3 soldiers with Steygr Assault Rifles (almost same range and dmg as Alien Laser Rifles), 2 soldiers with Advanced Alien Laser Rifles and one soldier with a Sniper rifle (the 160 dmb one) and all troops loaded with medkits.When the mission started i took my sniperguy and ran North East of how the map goes if you don't rotate it and as I suspected the rocketlaunching alies went for him. He ran back and forth dodging rockets, while the remaining group picked down the incoming aliens that ran after my sniperguy. All aliens, even those in Blue Sky Armor, when down pretty easily infront of the Steygr Assualtrifles switching from aimed to full auto depending on the range Hard-dmg seems to be the way to go on guns. Also, the rocketlauncher guys have limited rockets so if you can keep doging 6 or so rockets from each they'll be out of ammo and only one or two of them has a backup gun (Advanced Alien Laser Rifle).When I got into the base I eqiupped a "runner" with medpacks, cleared the immidiate area, saved, and tried some different approaches. Finally I ran, got the mission objective and ran back and exited the base.So, to sum up what was successful for me: Steygr Assault Rifles and a running decoy to draw the rocketlauncher fire. Some 14-odd aliens on the first level. :-)I am so glad now, and never did I in any way find this mission ridculously impossible like some games can be. Just try out some different weapons, and few combinations unlocks it all. Like a riddle that needs solving.Hope this, and other peoples postings on this thread helps others out.And, again, I was playing on Hard difficulty so others on other settings might not have such a hard time :-) Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpTi Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 i went a similer route to The.Donut only i decided to go in with the hevier stuff, eg SLAW, and some of those grenade launchers you see arnie using in T2 can't remember the name. but i think the big trick is using the pause button to keep moving your soldiers as the enemy rockets come in you can avoid them if your quick enough and spaced out well. All the while your pounding the hole in the wall where the aliens are stood with as much explisives as you can cram in there. i managed to kill all of them with only 1 person hitting the ground who i healed up after i was done dicing the last alien with an mp7! Edit: zowrath the blue armour is weak to conventional weapons and with 3 stayers plus a sniper i'm not suprised they went down easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 3 Snipers4 Assualt rifle guys1 Heavy weapons trooper Put all of your squad in Sun armour, do not use Heavy armour. Give everyone plenty of MedkitsBegin by skirmishing. Send your fastest 4 guys up to the road to take out the Sky armour reticulans. Run away every time they launch a missile. Retreat to the start point then go to the westernmost point of the wall. Heal up then use a grenade or the Heavy to take down the wall. Stand back and slightly to the east, so that you only have to fight one alien at a time. Keep firing and dodging. Creating a cloud of flame with Incendiaries also works quite well. Once they stop coming head through the breach and into the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganarh Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 well, that mission was a tough one. I tried several approaches and with last configuration I managed to chop myself through.First of all, selected out strongest soldiers and gave to ALL Heavy Armors. hey, I know, they moved like sick ducks after that but it was working.weapons conf was 2 advanced laser rifles (for mid range bursts)1 reloadable rocket launcher (to create MUCH havoc when multiple aliens started to pour out from the gates)1 sniper (who stayed at the edge of the map and tried to pick out targets)2 plasma launchers (for INDIRECT fire- they just covered gate are with rounds)and LOTS of medpacks1 grenade launcher (for same as above.... indirect fire) and with that configuration I did that mission. Was hard as hell another problem was second level of the base. I just couldnt do a battle there thanks to those bulky Heavy Armors. So, I selected a single trooper, who was the fastest one in the group, dropped his weapons and sent him running through the corridors. Heh. well, he wasnt running if you know what i mean.... he was clumbering like a wounded penguin. BUT i managed to get the PC without detection and then move back. There were some tense moments when my trooper was detected and got 2 rockets up his arse, but with remarkable limping skill he managed to get to end point. that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 ...Once upon a time in Stalingrad there was a secret complex which was guarded by more Reticulans than you can shake a stick at, An Xcom Commander planned a daring raid on the complex to steal some technology and hopefully not get missiled back to Cydonia or T'leth whichever took their fancy.He tried rushing them which had about as much success as Rik Waller winning the Olympic 100mtrs sprint. undeterred he tried to out manuver them which was about as effective as trying run through a wall. when all seemed lost he took a 2 man crack strike team, Objective get in and out as quick as possible secondary objective Borrow the info for research with a five finger discount. I cunningly armed my men with smoke grenade in both hands and all their belts full of grenades and MP7 in backpack. started mission by smoking the entire way to the wall blew a hole it with grenades whilst member number 2 ran around in circles attracting fire. once hole in wall is established run 2 blokes through and in second area simple..(after 3rd Attempt). second part of mission was much simpler standard close fighting and grenading all the corners before rushing rooms with MP7. and I did not lose a bloke wheww.... what I would not give for the thermal shock launcher or a tank!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xv_lee Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 aaaaaagh! this one did my head in! did it tho, eventually, suprisingly with no fatalities... i took Paganarh's advice and kitted 'em all with heavy armour, and as many medikits as they could carry, (at least 2 each). 2 x snipers1 x grenade launcher1 x advanced laser gun2 x plasma gun1 x reloadable rocket launcher the main problem for me was the first 30 seconds. there are 4 aliens to your immediate left, 2 with rockets. basically i tried to get my soldiers a few spaces apart from each other, then launch as many explosives as i could in the general direction where those rocket aliens would soon appear from. i killed one rocket one b4 i even saw him, and the other one as soon as he launched a rocket at me. he died but ko'd 4 of mine. one of my survivors was a sniper... i used him to provide cover while the other 2 went on a mental healing mission... was frustrating as they kept losin conciousness but paid off. i took the rest of the mission extremely slowly and carefully and it was fine, no real problems at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-COM Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I did the mission last night!! I just had one guy who was super-heroic at running and packed him up with a plasma shotgun and a load of smoke grenades. With a couple of medic packs just in case.I then chucked a few smoke grenades and legged it to the wall, blew a hole and continued to run to the base. Once in the base I loaded the shotgun and blasted a couple of greys away. Topped up my health and ran the little guy over to the files, once there I dropped everything except the files and ran back to the exit dodgy the lasers as I went. I can't help feeling that I cheated, but I couldn't do it the normal way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paganarh Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I can't help feeling that I cheated, but I couldn't do it the normal way.this is not cheating, amigo, this is TACTICS! praise the ALTAR for making this wonderful game witch we can play through using endless various squad and strategy settings! :inlove: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zowrath Posted October 7, 2003 Author Share Posted October 7, 2003 I wouldn't consider that cheating at all. Though I cleared out the initial topside mission, I had a guy running with his arse on fire to get the files and back on the latter downside base mission Z. Btw, I am more and more considering re-starting the whole game as I understand that I have done a lot of timewasting and errors on the way =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-COM Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I see what you mean about re-starting, I had a bit of an accident which forced me to restart (https://www.ufoaftermath.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=477 ) but when I did it all again I breezed through the begining and understand it all now so I will be in a stronger position when those harder missions come by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sh1000 Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 How I did it:6 snipers and 1 plasma shotgun with a lot of moving around, it seemed to work.the shotgun guy draws attention from the rocketlauncers and can outrun it easily.. and the snipers kill the aliens. and I think sky armor is not that good for hard bullets, could be mistaking tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASyLIFE Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 I managed to complete this "nightmare" of a mission earlier today. Tatics? Lot's of med kits,MP7's on burst fire,grenades,one bazooker man,a runner once inside to get the package. I managed to kill the aliens in the starting forest purley by shooting them and using a rocket,and then healing my units. Dodging the rocket alien at the gate,then shooting him and healing again.Set up an ambush at either side of the choke point entrance to the base.Sent in one unit to lure them out and then picked them off in a cross fire. Once inside... Killed a coupel of aliens with group burst MP7 fire.Sent the runner to get to the package,picked it up , and then hid the runner.With the other 6 members of the squad i secured the way back for the runner. Run back with package = mission complete! yay \o/ go me! Laters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zowrath Posted October 9, 2003 Author Share Posted October 9, 2003 I restarted the game the other day and I am looking forward to trying this mission all over again a lot sooner than before. If everything goes as it has so far it should be less aliens and easier, since it seems if you do your missions quickly and don't use a lot of days and months getting there it is easier to capture the objective Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daishiw Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 first time round i lost 2 guys from the rocketlauncher ambush, then inside the base everyone ended up dying except for one dude with SLAW and heavy armour (rest had been in sun or combat armour) who had to trundle all the way to pick up the files and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zowrath Posted October 10, 2003 Author Share Posted October 10, 2003 The sky armor is weak to Hard damage yeah, I used the Stayr Assault Rifle the last time around, thought this time I will have a go with the MP7 as the rate of fire in burstmode is superior. Though, the Stayr has a longer aimed range wich is good on the topside mission. I'm on feb. 12 in my current game, got 16 bases and bordering to russia already. My first game it was like in mid-end of april. I have noticed that if you do missions right away they are easier, i.e. fewer aliens, weaker weapons and so on. Although the new better weapons are introduced in more or less the same pace it seems that fewer aliens in a mission got them than before. Waiting eagerly for the russian mission now to see how it is there Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkCm Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 After i died a few times, i discovered how to do it. basically, open spaces are your enemy. I did this with; 2 x mp7 users2 x steyer aug1 x neastead (or whatever) shotgun (does 800 or so damage) ok. the Mp7 have better range in burst mode!!!! almost 35meters. so - but those in burts. This is a two stage mission and you start in the open. have your all your mean kneel and get the neosted guy to run (he has to be your fastest troop) as soon as he spots a reticulan, get your men to shoot at him, while your neasted runs away from the missle. If the R has a laser get in close and take off his face with the shotgun! There should be around 3 - 5 wondering outside the base (ie in the forest before) once they are departed get all your men to the entrance. and wait by the left side of the door. kneel, reload. get mr neosted to run in (a couple of tiles) to the compound and make sure the aliens see you. now go back to your group and wait. They'll come and die. (they cant get off a rocket faster then you fire an mp7) Inside, find a nice place to hide - behind a wall. (its vital you meet the aliens as close as possible) then get neosted to run out and lure them to your trap. make sure there arent two ways to your hiding place. I killed 18+ reticulans on this mission. i had 14 launchers. Good luck. Oh, and save often!!!! Darks ARMY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasarstrider Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 I agree with most things said here. While I did not try the decoy/scout (nice idea BTW), after dying a couple of times trying various tactics, I had my guys using HARD dmg weapons: MP7 SMG, Steygr MG, RPG-7. The only exception was a couple of guys with assault rifles I brought along. But on hindsight they would be better off using Steygr's. Everything in that playfield is in Steygr range. Heavy armor is too slow. My problem was that I only had 4 Sun Armors, so the other 3 guys got to use Heavy armor instead. I did not want to wait a day or two to take the mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hmm...i wasn personaly now at the Russian Base...but i would it do like that...agains a enemy with heavy weapons i would use A: Snipers..or B: Heavy Artelery. The best would be to carpet bomb the Area with Smoke Grenades, and after that bring in Heavy Artelery, Rocket launchers, Grenade launchers with fire and acid grenades, and to complete eradicate the whole area with grenades, rocket launchers and acid+napalm......and after there is burning earth..i would send in the front troopers with heavy MG Support, and kill the last aliens that survived, lay at the bottom and scream for mercy...... BUT WE HAVE NO MERCY! *reloading M4, pointing on a greay and fire* :alien2:Uhh, you're not supposed to destroy the base until AFTER you get the data... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Oh, and I went through 7 medpacks on that mission... damn, I want one with a bigger clip!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu. Posted October 12, 2003 Share Posted October 12, 2003 Well, I didn't have much trouble with the Russian base. The only Alien that actually managed to damage me is the guy who's standing right behind your squad at the beginning with a microslug accelerator. I've had a psionics guy in my squad since I started playing. TBH, I've been disappointed with psionics; he has heroic willpower/intelligence, yet the only special ability he has is the ability to use an 80 damage psi blaster :hmmm: a bit disappointing.. Until, the mission I did right BEFORE the Russian base, I got one of those Psi projectors. I didn't know what it did but I gave it to my psionics guy anyway, and headed out to the Russian base. Well, as you know, psi projector = mind control gun, much to my delight. And my heroic psi guy was able to take control of any reticulan he saw in one attempt, and from maximum range - impressive, for sure, and great fun - doubly great because none of the aliens on the Russian base map have any psi projectors of their own. As soon as I had a grey under my power, I'd run him back behind the wall. He'd fire at the other aliens, they'd fire and him, and the whole lot of them ended up wiping each other out with incindiary rockets. Any surviving greys were picked off by accuracy internationals. ;-) And, well, that's how I did it. To anybody having trouble with this mission, I would highly recommend raiding alien bases until you get your hands on a psi projector. Works best with a high psi soldier though.. I gave a projector to my medic once, and he took about 5 attempts to control an alien (half the ammo in the damn thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
systems Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I found the Russian base to be very easy. People warned about how difficult it was, so I delayed doing it until very late when I had sky armour, miniguns, masses of experience (all level 13) and a spare MP7 for everyone (I think my game date is almost April). I pretty much just lined up on either side of the main door (a couple at the hut), all nicely spread out so a missile could only hit one troop, then baited them to come out with a "streaker" running past the door. Whenever an alien stuck his head out, he took 2 Barratt sniper rifles, a minigun and 4 MP7s on burst to the face. 5 minutes later, we walked in. I went the "Long back way" to get the files and only met one alien. Easy. Now, if you want a tough mission, try capturing an alien on a ufo mission where you begin in the UFO surrounded by 8 with rocket launchers who all fire immediately! That happened to me last night. I just aborted and went home (you still get the XP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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