TabulaRasa Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 I cant figure out how to get the later reaserch items like magnetic ion armour or the new subs? Is there a special live alien i need to reaserch? I had gotten it before but i lost the game . I just need to find out what reaserch item(s) start the better reaserch. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 A handly little document I put together for just such an occasion: https://www.geocities.com/nkfarma/temporary/trtbag.html Just skip down to section 7 to get to the meat of the matter, so to say. It still needs a lot of work, but it should help you with the armour and sub aspect of the game. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 I've been thinking about this whole research tree, on TFTD CE, and I had a game where I got the ultimate threat from something other than the Lobsterman Commander. I think it was one of the other races, but I don't fully remember, though. When I play again, soon, I'll see what it was, or even if I have that anymore. I know there is a shield for the bases, how the heck do I research for that? I haven't research any alien tech that is not needed for advancing to T'Leth, yet. However, I had scientists sitting around doing nothing for a long time, in a precious game, because there was only like alien learning devices there to research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TabulaRasa Posted July 29, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Thanks for the help . I might need to restart my game, but i will know what to do next time. Now i might beat this game! (finally ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Sgt Strike: I was reminded that interrogating a Lobstermen Navigator can open up The Ultimate Threat research branch, given that all the prerequisites are met. Hmm, it's not in the guide. I thought I'd updated that bit... I must've only updated a local copy. Oh well, must remember to do this when the moon next turns blue and I update my website. The shield (M. C. Generator) is obtained after you research the M. C. Disruptor. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Thanks for the help . I might need to restart my game, but i will know what to do next time. Now i might beat this game! (finally )before you loose all your work... send my your saved game so I can repair it. -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I thought there was a shield, like the one where they bounce off the base. I did research up to MC Generator. I'll have to do so again, soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Oh, you meant the bombardment shield? Hmm, how quaint. I don't really pay much attention to the base defence guns anymore, since all they do is delay the inevitable, so I'd completely forgotten about it. As far as I can remember, I think that comes after or at the same time as you get to research the Leviathan. In any case, the Leviathan research ought to be the key, or at least a major portion of the bombardment shield's prerequisites. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TabulaRasa Posted July 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Sorry, i deleted that game . But I could very easily make a new one by reaserching everything in the wrong order . If you want it i can give it to you, but NKF showed me his web page that showed the TFTD reaserch bug and the order to get the reaserch in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 I can't remember, anymore, where the bombardment shield came in for UFO, but I know it was late in the game, research wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman4117 Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 I think it is available when you get the tech needed to research the avenger. They have always come up for me at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Demi-Godly One Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Well I think they come up around the same time, although the Avenger takes longer to research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 That's in UFO, no TFTD, unless there is soemthign similar there, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I just fired up the old Armour - Subs - T'leth research savegame, and ran through the general motions of getting the Mag. Ion Armour and the subs to find ye olde Bombardment shield. The answer is simple. Get the Leviathan. The bombardment shield comes right after it. Let's see the research manifesto (in no particular order): AquaplasticsPlastic Aqua ArmourI. B. AcceleratorsDeep One (alive and dead)Ion ArmourMagnetic NavigationMag. Ion ArmourSub Construction (item and research) Transmission ResolverZrbiteMantaHammerheadLobsterman CommanderLeviathan Note: Toss in a lobsterman navigator if you can't get the magnetic navigation. That's all I needed to research to get the bombardment shield. - NKF P. S: Sgt. Strike, if you still can't get the Bombardment shield after the Leviathan, then something must be up. Bladefirelight should be able to provide a better diagnosis of your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 Can't get it because I haven't found a colony, yet. I think there's one in the Artic circle, and one down around Antartica, but can't be sure. I'll have to use an unloaded Triton to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeFireLight Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 I was just diging through my xcom notes and found this that is releated to the research issue. ** Live Aleins researched befor all other items listed before them in any tech tree do not count toward the tree. For example If You have _not_ researched Alien Origins, and you research a Lobseterman Navigator. Your will _not_ be able to research 'The Ultimate Threat", _Untill_ you research Alien Origins _and_ another Lobsterman Navigator. (if you are playing TFTD DOS v1 you will still get Magnetic Navigation) Another example: If you have researched 'The Ultimat Threat' but _not_ 'New Fighter Transport' and you reseach a Lobsterman Commander. You will get 'T'leth the Alien's City' but _not_ 'The atest Flying sub'. And you will have to capture another Lobsterman Commander, Research 'New Fighter Transport' _Then_ research the Lobsterman Commander. On first glance this probably is confusing... but looking at it in a real world perspective.. if you dont have the prerequisite knowledge. Then you dont know what questions to ask during interrogation. -Blade FireLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Strike Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Well, you do need to research Alien Origins to get to The Ultimate Threat. However, you can more than that by researching squad leaders and other higher ranked aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tftd fan Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Guys, keep in mind that if any of you capture the Tasoth commander, DO NOT RESEARCH HIM in early stages of the game! IF you do so (before get the alien sub construction/manta/forgot/Leviathan) the Last ship will NEVER show up for research. This is a bug that my 1.2 v has and I'm not shuer if this bug has been fixed byt he moderators on this site, but once i've expirienced myself, take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niml Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 hey i found a nifty looking tech tree for TFTD and UFO its at this site it might help you. Tech Tree's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 tftd fan: the TFTDv2 patch and the beta Geoscape update appear to make it so that the tasoth commander never shows up on the research list. I've been trying to get one to see how bad it harms the research tree, but it never shows up for research anymore (I mean, since applying the patch). This is a Good Thing, and I recommend anyone with the dos version of TFTD to get the updates. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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