Aralez Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 BlackAlmaz, send me what you have, i'll do a merge with the RBmod then and send it to you. I think most of the weapons you described are already in the mod, it would be easy to replace the models. I could maybe do a working uploadable version until monday or tuesday then. (with no new weapons, only model replacements for a start) Alas, i wasn't lazy either and made some progress, too. Some things worked (Can you say Spitter?) Some things didn't work, like shrinking the popper (as the animation file can't be altered) but hey i better show you some pics so you can see what i mean: https://www.lognvik.no/Aftermath/111.jpg New popper looks good when standing still (count the legs! ) https://www.lognvik.no/Aftermath/113.jpg But not so good when moving. But the Spitter works flawlessly: https://www.lognvik.no/Aftermath/112.jpg I'll maybe leave the popper height as it is atm (original), but will try to give it a different look, a bit thicker, other head etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 BlackAlmaz, Slaughter, Fulby, ah everyone, i have a proposal: What if we split our team to work on two different mods: You, Fulby and Slaughter work on an AvP mod, with Aliens, Marines, AvP-weapons etc. I would work on the RBmod and include Xcom-aliens, weapons and anything else. The thought came to me when i saw your awesome AvP-weapons, they are great! Combining them into the RBMOD would be a waste of your excellent work as the theme simply wouldn't fit and: The weapons you did deserve a MOD for themselves! And the Alien you are working on! wow.... So what do you think? What about two "themed" mods instead of one big "cross-over" mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaughter Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 I agree Aralez. They should be split. I'll not be able to assist much until my exams are over though (and maybe not even then, as I have quite a few other projects going). Oh, and nice creature models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 BlackAlmaz has so much good ideas, weapons and models. That made me unsure how i could include them properly in the RBmod. That sounded like putting a Porsche motor in a Twingo You could use all RBmod files you want and i would help you with possible problems. Finally UFOAM users would have a choice when looking for mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulby Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 BlackAlmaz, Slaughter, Fulby, ah everyone, i have a proposal: What if we split our team to work on two different mods: You, Fulby and Slaughter work on an AvP mod, with Aliens, Marines, AvP-weapons etc. I'm a programmer not a modeller. I may do an Ethereal at some point cause they glide without moving much , but at the moment I'm working on the code. Fulby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 That's what i've meant. The AvP project does not only need modellers, your other modding experience would be of use, too And judging by your awesome plugins i can say you are more than qualified ! An regarding that Ethereal: I know exactly what you mean, i prodced several of that models myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 A day or two ago, my lurky brain was actually thinking that maybe there should be two separate mods. In the RBMod, you could replace a few of the weapon's models, specifically the new RB weapons that borrowed their model and icon from original weapons. But, I didn't think it would be wise to completely wipe out the original weapon's models, because some people have gotten used to mounting many of those by look and feel instead of reading their description. If the look and the feel of the original weapons changes, it might be confusing to some people. But, since the look and the feel of many of the RB weapons were borrowed from the original, replacing those borrowed RB models with something unique would be appreciated. Make sense? Don't replace the original models from the original unmodded game. Instead, concentrate on replacing the duplicate models that show up in the newly added RB weapons. If you follow that protocol, then someone who has just finished playing an unmodded game will be able to step into a modded RB game with everything being familiar except for the fact that the RB mod will appear to add a whole bunch of completely new looking stuff. The old stuff will still be there 'as it was' but the new RB stuff will look different and have completely unique models. Also, if BlackAlmaz does an AvsP mod, he would be able to start fresh and make if more of a pure mod, which could possibly mean that he could eliminate a lot of stuff that doesn't fit with the theme. Thus he could replace original weapons with weapons that fit the theme, and in the process, his mod would be made so that it's download is quicker and smaller. Plus, if any bugs or CTD are introduced, having his mod smaller and more lean would help him in the debugging process. So, yes, I too agree that there should be two separate mods done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 i agree..the shot gun stays and all others...in just added a m203 and a bigger clip to a g36...its more usefull that way...well you saw what i did... and i will try and help arlez out a bit with getting all those rebalnced models in......like double barreld shot gun..wich is already done...and chainsaw...heavy plasma from x-com...and any others he asks me for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Alright then! Send me what you have finished (i'm really looking forward to the chainsaw!) and i'll do the rest of the models. And yes, Lurker is absolutely right, i should replace the RBMOD equipment only. And maybe add some new aliens Fulby: It seems i finally get used to your tool, 2 days completely without CTD's ! So here is a small To-Do-list for the next RB-Mod: -Include new models from BlackAlmaz to replace RBmod-weapons-Include new weapon-models from me as well-Spitter model -Popper model-Add Ethereal, Skeletoid and Anthromorph-Change look and level of Powerarmour-Change look of Berzerkarmour as well-New heads for Mutons, Sectoids and Cyborgs. As you can see, this will take some days ok, i'm gone, have to mod now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 i was fuinnaly able to add head coms to helimts..its strange the female helmit has no bone ??? any ways...aralez...if have problems imprting the alian..i will send it to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 The problem wasn't/isn't the importing, but the animation. As you can see on the second pic ^^ the game still wants to move the missing two legs and the rest of the body to the coordinates of the original model. There's only one thing i can do about that: Don't change the height of an alien Atm i finished all RBmod weapon designs and tomorrow (its about 4am) i will import them into the modelfiles. Your AvP-models mod will stay untouched as you'll need them for the mod then. I will use your M4, the silenced pistol, maybe the Lurkergun, the saw you wanted to send me and the psg-model and put them into the next RBmod. Maybe i will do an upload then (to get some feedback and as a teaser for the mod-users) and move on to the next step: New Aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 in have your models..i will also send some light armours..because you seem to have a hang of ..on and there a double berraled shot gun..for you to.. plus the mp5 is now longer because i wanted to change the animation from pistol to rifle..belive me now it should look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 fulby...can you help me make the avp armours..?? if you ever seen alians 2..you will know what they look like...sholder lights...and a few clip colders on the vest i have already made the helmit...and i'm making a motion tracker....the thing i need to know can paralyse go through walls...if to thats great...cause i'll make a great range...and they wont show up..just the purple box..of the frozen guy..only for a sec..but it will frezz my guys as well and the preditors will be the ractilians as they have the teck....and ships one more thing..is it posible to creat a net gun?.....i can make a net instead of a rocket...but will it look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulby Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 The problem wasn't/isn't the importing, but the animation. As you can see on the second pic ^^ the game still wants to move the missing two legs and the rest of the body to the coordinates of the original model. There's only one thing i can do about that: Don't change the height of an alien Two things you could try: Make sure all the Meshes a WVERTS not VERTS. Change the bones in the file to match the position of the joints in the modified model. Try changing the translation elements in the array. If you don't know about bone matrices, then change the 4th, 8th and 12th values in the list of numbers accompanying each bone. These are X, Y and Z translations respectively. Fulby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulby Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Sorry but I'm not interested in an AvP mod, or any modelling beyond that needed for testing the plugins. Like I said, I'm a programmer not a modeller Fulby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 okay..than can you send me a examople of a modefied armour..so i know how to do it...modeling is no problem..but importing dosent really for for human armours.........except helmits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Here are some new pics from BlackAlmaz, including mostly his AvP weapons and the com-unit-helmet. Click here! Some excellent shots in there! Btw, if i have done the RBMOD i will happily join the AvP-Mod team if you want. But as you can see this will take some time And regarding the human armour: The handling is ALMOST the same as for the weapons, only a lot more numbers to copy-n-paste. And remember that for some helmets and armours you'll need two models each: One for the small unit pic and one for the ingame rendering. I'll send you some armour model files (when done), atm i'm reworking my older test-models... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 yes i know that...the reason i want some one else to do the armours..is because of my old keybord....its space and left control almost dont work...so untill i get enoght time to get a new keybord.....i will just work with weapons.........how bout this....we finish the rb mod first...and than we will make a homepage and evrything for avp....we have the idea....all we need is people...and cause your one of the best i know..i want to help you finish the RB modso you'll have more time helping me with mine and what do you think of my saw model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Alright ! I will upload the RBmod with the new weapon-models asap. Then we can work on the AvPmod. Maybe later i can add new Xcom Aliens to the RBmod... But this will have to wait, the Avp-Mod is of more importance ! It is a bit sad to see no new modders or helpers, this is SOME work and we coud need help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulby Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I've uploaded a zip file here, 26KB. It has a male light helmet and male heavy armour, both with extra vertices. Fulby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 I uploaded a test-version of the new RBmod here: Beta-Version It includes edited RBmod weapon models and the Spitter. The powerarmour and the Berzerkarmour will come later in the game, the first will be a tiny bit weaker. Some other weapons were tweaked, the lasergatling has more ammo, the Bfg9000 is less powerful. (not much) Tell me if it works and give feedback here, the release-version will then follow soon. The excellent AvP weapon models BlackAlmaz made will have their debut in the AvP-mod. After the release-version of the RB-Mod there will be no updates for it for some time. The reason behind this is the lack of personal for the AvPmod. Maybe later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaughter Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Nice! I'll have a look tomorrow. What did you remove to find the space needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralez Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 The redux-mod. It isn't linked anywhere anymore. I still have it on my HD if somebody wants it. And it isn't needed anymore, the problems weren't caused by that added weapons, but by corrupted savegames. I'll wait some days for feedback then release the final version. Atm, BlackAlmaz and me are planning things for the AvP-Mod. All of his excellent models will be used there. The com-helmets, new armours, new weapons etc. I think BlackAlmaz should do all the models for that mod, his work is so much better than my attempts at modelling. I will do the textures, icons, lists etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 i have finished the model...of that succking thing.....you know..that parasite......the cinfigs for it should be instant kill...but it dies as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlmaz Posted May 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 okay i have done....the preditor--not finidhed, drone, Queen...and 2 stes of face huggers... i'm wondering what the spider weapon model is for?... and slaughter how can i set up a site for the mod...to add my pics and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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