Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'm trying to correct a few ammo issues (the Johnson LMG should use .30-06 and the Thompsons should both use .45 ACP). However, my changes to clips seem to have no effect on the game, even though my changes to weapon, ammo, and clip names are all working fine. What I've done is go into RPGClips and change the AmmoGroup for #103 (Johnson LMG clip) to "5", so that it uses the same ammo as the Browning BAR and M1 Garand. But this doesn't seem to change anything. So I assume I'm looking at the wrong column. I have no idea where else to look though. Has anyone had any success with this? P.S. This is for S3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 You know what? It seems to have worked after all. I was testing this in an existing S3 game that I added the mod to using S3AddMod.exe. The Johnson LMG I carried still listed ".30 Carbine" as its ammo type, but when I unloaded it, the ammo clip correctly said ".30-06 Springfield". I sold the Johnson back to the store then bought it again. Voila! It now lists its ammo as .30-06 and so do the clips he sells. Hooray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'm trying to figure out what to do with the British Luger. I honestly have no idea what this ".38 British Service" is and can't find any record of it. I've just made it a 9mm for now, which from what I can tell is what the British versions used. But now it's not really any different from the standard P08, so what's the point? I'm considering changing it to a .45 Luger, which was a very rare .45 ACP variant that was made as a submission for US Army testing in 1906. It wouldn't make any sense at all for it to show up on the front lines, but then S3 seems to revel in making test and experimental weapons available to soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandeburg Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Hi mister Q-stoneyou might do a finnish M23 luger in 7.65 if you really want to use this weapon and avoid the rare .45 caliber protoype.Here is a realy good site about LUGER https://www.gunsworld.com/p08/p08_home_us.html good work pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'd rather not introduce another ammo type if I can help it. The 7.65mm Parabellum isn't in the game or used by any other weapon, and I'd prefer that at least a couple of guns use any particular cartridge. Another possibility would be to chamber it for the Sauer 38's 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP), as there were also experimental Lugers in this caliber as well. My main concern now is making sure that with all my changes, enemies spawn with the correct magazines for their weapon. Here's a list of what I've done so far: Replaced the .38 "British Service" ammo type with the .30 Mauser, for use in the Mauser Broomhandle pistols.Replaced the DeLizl .45 ammo type with the .38 Special, for use in the S&W Colt Detective Special.Replaced one of the Luger clips with the .30 Mauser clip for use in the Mauser Broomhandle pistols.Both Thompson SMGs and their magazines now use .45 ACP ammo.The Bren LMG magazine now holds 30 rounds.The Johnson LMG and its magazine now use .30-06 ammo.The Colt Detective Special now uses .38 Special ammo.The Luger (British) has been replaced with the prototype Luger .45 and uses .45 ACP ammo.The 1926 and M712 Mauser C-96s now use .30 Mauser ammo. NAME CHANGES** Ammo and Clips **.38 Parabellum --> 9mm Parabellum12.7 Vickers --> 12.7mm Vickers13.0 Mauser --> 13.0mm Mauser13.2 French --> 13.2mm French20.0 Erlicon --> 20.0mm Erlicon20.0 Mauser --> 20.0mm Mauser6.5 Manlicher-Carcano --> 6.5mm Manlicher-Carcano7.5 MAS --> 7.5mm MAS7.62 Garand --> .30 Carbine7.62 Nagant --> 7.62mm Nagant7.62 Springfield --> .30-06 Springfield7.62x23 USSR --> 7.62x25mm Tokarev7.62x39R USSR --> 7.62x39mm USSR7.62x53R USSR --> 7.62x53mm USSR7.65 Sauer --> .32 ACP7.92 MSS-41 AP Clip. --> 7.92mm MSS-41 AP Clip7.92x33 Mauser --> 7.92mm Kurz7.92x57 Mauser --> 7.92mm MauserAK47 Magazine --> AK-47 MagazineBazooka Rocket (Armor Piercing) --> M1 "Bazooka Rocket" (Armor Piercing)Bazooka Rocket Propelled Grenade --> M1 "Bazooka" ShellBrowning M1922 Magazine --> BAR MagazineColt Detective Special .38 S&W rounds --> .38 Special roundsColt M1911 BigJoe Arrow --> Colt M1911 "Big Joe" ArrowColt M1911 Pistol Clip. --> Colt M1911 Pistol ClipFlak38 Magazine. --> Flak38 MagazineGarand M1 Rifle Clip --> M1 Garand ClipJHP 7.62x23 USSR --> 7.62x25mm Tokarev JHPJohnson Light Gun --> Bren Machine Gun MagazineLee-Enfiled 10-round Rifle Clip --> Lee-Enfield 10-round Rifle ClipLittle Joe Arrow --> "Little Joe" ArrowLittle Joe Arrow --> "Little Joe" ArrowM-1 Carbine Clip --> M1 Carbine ClipM20 Bazooka Shell --> M20 "Super Bazooka" ShellM20 Bazooka rocket (Armor Piercing) --> M20 "Super Bazooka" Shell (Armor Piercing)MG34 Boxed Cartridge Belt --> MG34 Drum MagazineMauser 1912 Pistol Clip --> Mauser C-96 1912 Pistol ClipMauser M.712 Pistol Clip --> Mauser C-96 M712 Pistol ClipMosin Rifle Clip --> Mosin-Nagant Rifle ClipNagant 1896 Cartridges --> 7.62mm Nagant Revolver CartridgesPIAT rocket. --> PIAT rocketPTR "Boys" --> .55 BoysPTR Boys Magazine --> Boys Anti-tank Rifle MagazinePanzershrek Rocket Propelled Grenade --> Panzerschrek Rocket Propelled GrenadeSTG43 SMG Magazine --> STG44 SMG MagazineSVT- 40 Rifle Clip --> SVT40 Rifle ClipSauer 38X Pistol Clip --> Sauer 38 Pistol ClipSpeedloader for Six .38 rounds --> Speedloader for Six .455 roundsSterling Patchett Clip --> Sterling SMG ClipStuning Dart --> Tranquilizer DartTKB408 Clip --> TKB-408 ClipTT Pistol Clip --> TT-33 Pistol ClipThompson 1928 SMG Magazine --> Thompson M1 MagazineThompson M1 SMG Drum Magazine --> Thompson 1928 Drum MagazineVickers 12.7 Boxed Cartridge Belt. --> Vickers 12.7mm Boxed Cartridge Belt ** Weapons **AK47 --> AK-47Bazooka M1 --> M1 "Bazooka"Beretta M38-42 --> Beretta M38/42Beretta M38-42 Silenced --> Beretta M38/42 SilencedBlack Jack Club --> BlackjackBren --> Bren Mk1 Light Machine GunBrowning M1922 --> Browning Automatic Rifle M1922Carbine 1938 --> Mosin-Nagant Carbine 1938Carbine 98K Scoped --> Mauser Carbine 98K ScopedCarbine 98K Scoped, Silenced --> Mauser Carbine 98K Scoped, SilencedCarbine DeLizl Silenced --> DeLisle Carbine SilencedCarbine M1 1936 --> M1 Carbine 1936Chakra --> ChakramChatellerault M1924/1929 --> Chatellerault M1924/29DP --> Degtyarev DP-28FG 42 --> FG42G-41 W --> G41(W)G-41 W Scoped --> G41(W) ScopedGarand M1 --> M1 GarandGarand M1 Scoped --> M1 Garand ScopedJohnson Light Gun --> Johnson Light Machine GunKhukuri Knife --> Khukri KnifeLuger British --> Luger .45M20 Bazooka --> M20 "Super Bazooka"M3A1 --> M3A1 "Grease Gun"M3A1 Silenced --> M3A1 "Grease Gun" SilencedMG 34 --> MG34MG-34 Tripod Mounted --> MG34 Tripod MountedMP 28 - Bergmann --> Bergmann MP 28MP 38 --> MP38MP 40 --> MP40MP 40-II --> MP40/IIMauser K96 1912 --> Mauser C-96 1912Mauser K96 1912 Silenced --> Mauser C-96 1912 SilencedMauser K96 1926 --> Mauser C-96 1926Mauser M.712 --> Mauser C-96 M712Mosin 1891-1930 --> Mosin-Nagant 1891/30Mosin 1891-1930 Scoped --> Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 ScopedNagant 1910 --> Nagant Revolver 1910Nagant 1910 Silenced --> Nagant Revolver 1910 SilencedPIAT --> PIAT Rocket LauncherPIAT Rocket Launcher --> Panzerklein PIAT Rocket LauncherPTR Boys Gun --> Boys Anti-tank RiflePukke Knife --> Puukko KnifeRifle 33-40 --> CZ 33/40 CarbineRifle 33-40 Scoped --> CZ 33/40 Carbine ScopedSTG 43 --> STG44SVT 40 --> SVT40SVT 40 Scoped --> SVT40 ScopedSauer 38X --> Sauer 38Sten Mk II --> Sten MkIISten Mk IV --> Sten MkIVSten Mk V --> Sten MkVSterling Patchett --> Sterling L2A3Sterling Patchett Para --> Sterling Mk7 ParaSterling Patchett Silencer --> Sterling L34A1 SilencedStun Air-Rifle Silenced --> Tranquilizer Rifle SilencedStun Pistol Silenced --> Tranquilizer Pistol SilencedSuomi --> Suomi M1931TKB408 --> TKB-408TT 1933 --> Tokarev TT-33Thompson 1923 --> Thompson 1928Thompson 1928 --> Thompson M1Vickers 12.7 --> Vickers Machine GunVickers Machine Gun --> Panzerklein Vickers Machine GunVolksgewehr45 --> Volksgewehr VG1-5Wood Chopping Axe --> HatchetZB 26-30 --> ZB 26/30 ** Other Equipment **Advanced Picklock --> Advanced LockpickBullet Extractor. --> Bullet ExtractorDecyphering Book --> Deciphering BookForceps, Abbey --> Kelly ForcepsHecsogen Charge --> Hexogen ChargeMeduim --> MediumMetal Scissors --> Bolt cuttersNytroglycerin Charge --> Nitroglycerin ChargePicklock --> LockpickPicklock Set --> Lockpick Set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 But now it's not really any different from the standard P08, so what's the point? I'm also modding the default weapons, and that's a problem I'm running into as well. Many of the weapons in the game are identical mechanically, but differ slightly cosmetically. (MP38 vs MP40, for example.) Therefore the difference in stats between the two weapons is purely arbitrary... so, why even have 2 identical (in game terms) weapons? It's an interesting puzzle... On an entirely different note - I'm doing a weapon mod as well. It started small - changing a few stats here and there. But, it has now morphed into a complete overhaul of every firearm in the game (explosives and melee weapons are next). It just seems a shame that many people are doing the same thing (more or less) as I, which is pretty darn inefficient... I just wonder if there's a way to collaborate on projects... or if anyone would even be interested? Seems a waste to constantly re-invent the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'd be interested. Mind you, the mod I'm currently working is just to straighten out errors in the game as is. I'm not yet at a point where I want to start messing with weapon stats and balance. After that I'm going to start looking at adding some content, so perhaps that can be the possibility of collaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novik Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 7.62x53R USSR --> 7.62x53mm USSR7.62x54R DP --> Degtyarev DP-28DP-27.7.65 Sauer --> .32 ACPAFAIK incorrect. Really this is a 7.65x17. "Nationality" of this weapon (Sauer 38X) is german (or swiss), and american name convention (.32 ACP, BTW really - .30 ACP) is not applicable for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 7.62x54RCartridges of the World (8th Edition) lists it as the 7.62x53Rmm Russian and states that it is sometimes called the 7.62x54Rmm. In addition, S3 lists it as 7.62x53Rmm, so I simply left the length unchanged. You're right about me forgetting the "R" however. DP-27.Jane's Guns Recognition Guide states that it was adopted in 1928 "after two years of trials". AFAIK incorrect. Really this is a 7.65x17. "Nationality" of this weapon (Sauer 38X) is german (or swiss), and american name convention (.32 ACP, BTW really - .30 ACP) is not applicable for it."Designed by John Browning for his first successful automatic pistol, this cartridge was first manufactured by FN in Belgium, and introduced in 1899. It was marketed in the U.S. when Colt turned out a pocket automatic on another Browning patent in 1903. The 32 Automatic is one of the more popular pistol cartridges ever developed... In Europe, every company that made automatic pistols chambered the 32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol).... In Europe, it is known as the 7.65mm Browning, while in the U.S. it is designated as the 32 Auto or 32 ACP." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandeburg Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 It just seems a shame that many people are doing the same thing (more or less) as I, which is pretty darn inefficient... I just wonder if there's a way to collaborate on projects... or if anyone would even be interested? Seems a waste to constantly re-invent the wheel.Hi guys, this is exactly what I am trying to do. It is why I am sharing my research's results on this Forum.I am may be to much in quest of actual infos about weapons' name, but in my mind, it is like a car race game with a Porsche 956 named 917, or a chevy named Toyota... And a V8 is not a straigtht 8...So Misters Cookie and Q-stone , and other as well, be welcome to open a new topic to share works. I will be one of yours! Already cookie had correct some of my errors, things like this help ! Man cannot be Perfect, and several eyes are better than just a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novik Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Cartridges of the World (8th Edition) lists it as the 7.62x53Rmm Russian and states that it is sometimes called the 7.62x54Rmm.7.62x53R - hunting variant of it.Jane's Guns Recognition Guide states that it was adopted in 1928 "after two years of trials".DP was adopted as an standard LMG of Red Army in 02.1927. Trust me Don't trust Jane [edit]See manufacturer page, for example - https://www.zid.ruDetail information on russian version only - https://www.zid.ru/ru/about.html sorry.[/edit] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Stone Posted December 29, 2005 Author Share Posted December 29, 2005 Err, yeah, I can't read Russian though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandeburg Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Thank you NOVIK for this info, I updated my actual name zip doc. accordingly (DP 27) May be you could have some infos about russian grenades I did not find, thank you a lot in advance NOVIK if you could help (read actual weapons names for S2/S3/H&S topic) nice to read you Q-stone Err, yeah, I can't read Russian though.I can't even more read russian, but it is written in english in most of the Sites, I did not notice the mystake about the DP number! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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