Asmodai Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 I threw them two at a time, because each of my guys has 2 grenades. I stood on the closest alien transporter pads, and had my other guys on the side of her nest, so she would try to hit them, and i wouldn't have to worry. I would just run a guy up there, throw the grenades, then switch him with another guy. The last 4 guys i threw 4 grenades, and then 4 grenades. Then I just killed all the other aliens and I won. Here's a thought... maybe you don't have to stun the queen to win? Try killing those eggs around her, and keeping guys to cover the alien transporters outside the nest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauphinbienveillant Posted October 12, 2002 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 If you don't have enough men to cover the tranposters, you could also destroy these transporter, it's spectacular with some vortex mines....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Well, you don't need to kill the eggs to win a mission, but you must stun or kill the queen. The queen's all that's left standing in my test mission. I'd destroyed every single spawn pad in the area, except for two outside, where I left a pair of soldiers. I'd run out of vortex mines, see. Oddly enough, no more aliens were spawned after half an hour or so. Hmm, perhaps there's an upper limit to the number of aliens that can spawn in a mission? Or maybe these were just dud transporters? - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauphinbienveillant Posted October 14, 2002 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 I finally get the research to get the C-toxin!!!!!!!!!!! We must research every common life forms(living & dead), the micronoid aggregate (l & d) and the megaspawn (l & d) (he is very funny to capture) and then research "The real alien treat" and then the C-toxin. We don't need the queen!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Whoa, deja-vu. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroyteenangst Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 i thought you had to get aliens down to a certain health point to stun them. however, i've knocked out aliens using the stun grapple only, without shooting at them with anything else first. most notably the time i actually pulled off the stun grappling of a charging popper. man that was close. *wipes sweat from brow* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 U totaly don't need to hurt somethgin before u stun it. In early missions, I'll just equip every soldier with 2 stun grapples, and sprint through the entire map and stun everything. Way easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 That's because none of the early aliens have 80 hit points. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 I caught a live Megaspawn only using like 4 stun grenades, and I never fired a harmful shot at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destroyteenangst Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 i see. i never wanted to get close enough to a megaspawn or psimorph to stun it without first blasting the crap out of it a little, so i didn't know that! do skeletoids count as early aliens? the first time i encountered one, my maniacal desire to capture all aliens alive drove me to send a lone trooper running all the way up to stun grapple range to down it. he died from the injuries he got as a result, but pff that's just a sacrifice he didn't realise he'd have to make. ah, mindless following of orders... beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Well sometimes, in one of the alien ships, there is a place that Megaspawns get stuck in. I found one there, and I threw 4 grenades into it and I won the mission and got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 I'm still performing periodic tests with stun grenades, and have been able to paralyse 80% of a Megaspawn by tossing stun grenade after stun grenade almost continuously, but not at the same time. It took quite a long time, and I ran out of ammunition. I think your megaspawn must have been damaged before it went to sulk in a corner. It must have got hurt by stray bullets while its buddies were exiting the UFO. Same goes for the queen. You definitely need more than 4 stun grenades. Think I'll go back to MP and clear out Megapol's entire supply. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 When I caught the queen, I didn't fire one single harmful shot at her. Just a poop-load of stun grens. The megaspawn I captured wasn't damaged either, when I see an alien, it dies. At the time that I cought it, all of my agents had Toxi-guns. 24 agents with Toxi-guns don't leave anythgin standing. But here's a thought... What if you don't have to stun her? Maybe just kill every alien in the map, and maybe u can win that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Well, been there, done that, and all I got was this blasted mug... I cleared out all the aliens, including the eggs and the spawn pads, except the queen. The mission did not end. You have to destroy all your mission targets to win a mission in the alien dimension, even though you may have killed all of the combat aliens and destroyed all the spawn pads. Alien eggs and the chrysalis are a different matter entirely. Since the queen is a mission objective, you must knock it out or kill it. - NKF Major edit: Recall earlier in this thread I mentioned that the maintenance factory was responsible for UFO construction? Scratch that. It's the building immediately after the maintenance factory. The one that looks like a big red disc in the alien cityscape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Well maybe then stun damage increases over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKF Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Nah, stun damage decreases over time. So far, from observation, your timing between throwing stun grenades must be just right for them to accumulate. Throw them too early (i.e. several stun bombs at the same time), and there appears to be no effect. Throw it too late, and the previous stun damage will have worn off. And even then you need a lot of stun grenades so that you'll gather enough paralysis points to knock something tough like the Megaspawn or the queen out while they're at full HP. I'm beginning to wonder if difficulty level has any hand in this. These tests were all in Superhuman, but maybe, when time permits, I should give beginner mode a try. - NKF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asmodai Posted October 20, 2002 Report Share Posted October 20, 2002 No I meant maybe stun damage increases over time IF the subject is still inside the cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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