Space Voyager Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 As foretold, a dive into AI research to give us the final edge.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0002-81.jpgZuul remain my favourite race design-wise.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0004-74.jpgDiplomacy has been very much alive lately. First our alliance offered Tarka-Hiver alliance a merge. Ithappened, but obviously Hivers went for "quit if accepted" option. So they quit at the same time as theiralliance accepted. The only options on the table were accepting a degradation from alliance to NAP or war.Needless to say, a NAP is enacted.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0007-58.jpgRealizing that a lot more can be done to aid a peaceful solution, diplomacy is used in a more practical way.Call it gifts or bribery, it is given out to all but Zuul.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0008-53.jpgA turn later, Hivers manage to entangle themselves in an all-out war. I guess not everybody chose the NAP.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0019-29.jpgCries of death echo through the universe as at some worlds Hivers manage to defeat the defendersand keep their gates - at the cost of the whole Human or Tarka colony.At other colonies my allies manage to remove the gates. All Liir worlds with gates start building a CnC cruiserand a heavy hitter, "Branilec pesmi" (Defender of Song) to remove the gates if it all goes down the drain(into the sea). Luckily it is not even such a huge expense with our income.Several invitations are made to include Morrigi into the alliance, some unanimous, some not. Morrigi haveturned them all down.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0020-25.jpgAs expected when a war starts, this corner of the galaxy explodes with traffic. Mostly these are scout shipsfleeing from Hiver worlds.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0022-21.jpgMorrigi take deliberate actions against our colonies. The Song turns into a lament. Not only for what hasalready happened, the future holds much more pain.(big picture)https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0025-20.jpgThis has befallen in a cluster of stars, formerly occupied by The Pure (white Zuul). Closest to Morrigi cluster,it is the most species-diverse, though mostly settled by Humans who lead the charge. Attacking a colony doesnot cancel a ceasefire as it is only valid in deep space or at non-occupied stars. Still, Morrigi at leasthad the decency to end the farce. If they didn't, we surely could not allow its continuation.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0032-8.jpgAs Morrigi are using small cloaked fleets to strike at others, countermeasures are researched. Half of our CRsized satellites will be scuttled and "Morena" (Moray) scanner sats will be constructed in their place. Thisway the satellite defences can find the attackers that surprise our defending force. Deep scan DE can happento be on the other side of the colony and sats and planetary missiles have no way of seeing the attackers.Now they do. Then, naturally, prevention of extinction. Whatever their empire did, we don't want the dragonsto disappear.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0034-9.jpgA desperate try to talk things over. I had to chuckle when Morrigi called us worms...https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0038-8.jpgA display of Human firepower.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0044-3.jpgSadly, not a target practice.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0046-3.jpgThe Song overcomes.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0048-4.jpgCries on our doorstep are deafening. Having an armada like this at our colony is also disconcerting.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0052-2.jpgLet's make it easier on Morrigi.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0049-1.jpgTwo of four armadas fighting the last remaining Zuul empire are sent to the disputed cluster. All Liir worldsin the cluster are building satellites to aid in the defence until it is turned into offence. New fleets arebeing built. This needs to be resolved fast, suffering of the innocents made as short as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Research continued to Combat Algorithms (turn 219 - lets you operate more ships in a battle, in case youhave forgotten) and through whole ballistic tree to Impactors (222) and Neutronium rounds (223). Meaningwe could have heavy ballistic hitters if needed, too. Research tree is really open to us.In turn 221 we have also salvaged something that can enable us to start a Pin'aa Ka project. We do.But we need to rewind things just a bit.Morrigi are letting all their glorious past related frustrations out upon our few colonies in their cluster.For the moment, we can do little about it, although our biggest world there is building ships as fast aspossible. First, it needs to defend itself. Than can it help others. He who defends everything, defendsnothing.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0004-75.jpgContrary to what Morrigi are doing, we try to cause as little pain as possible. Their colonies aredesignated as non-targets and we are waiting for the moment when their defence force is at its weakest toforce a surrender. We have all the necessary knowledge to keep them all alive. Making taken worldsprofitable will be very hard without terraforming, but currently we can afford to have them as a drainon our budget indefinitely. Anything to bring harmony to the Song.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0011-44.jpgThe last of the Zuul.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0017-29.jpgTarka really want us to have leap mines. We will not insult them by turning their offer down, though mineswill not be used.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0019-30.jpg"Graditelj" (Builder) class cruiser is designed and built at several colonies. These construction cruiserswill build our stations, mostly sensors "Rarog" (Spiny Lobster?) type.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0020-26.jpghttps://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0029-14.jpgFinally we grind Morrigi empire to their original cluster.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0032-9.jpgAt Gallandro our forces were attacked by a large number of Morrigi...(big picture)https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0034d.jpg... construction ships!Morrigi have been shipping all kinds of ships to Gallandro and construction ships are always present inthe battle. Whatever the opposition, Gallandro will be an opening step to final jump over Morrigi empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silencer_pl Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Liir scientists have this kind of "What do you want imbeciles" expression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 HE HE HE! And a "I can crush you by thinking about it", too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veki Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Finally an update! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just an apology, as I won't be able to post another update at least untill Monday... Lately RL has interfered quite a lot - first I had field work, than I got sick (still recovering) and things got stalled a bit. As a small consolation; most pics for the next update are already done, so on Monday it should be up. Thank you for all your support and input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veki Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Np SV. Just get well and RL is more important. This AAR can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Morrigi show that they are not finished with us yet. Our colony is silent.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0035-6.jpgAt Gallandro we are disappointed in the realization that in many cases, Morrigi worlds will not yield beforea whole lot of screams will echo in our ships. It took three turns and a turn of destruction to persuade thepopulation. It will take time to recover from such events.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0041-5.jpgAt least our alliance is firm.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0045-7.jpgMorrigi attack our largest colony in their cluster. This venture will cost them dearly - and it may lessen theirappetite for our colonies.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0051-1.jpgA tech I wanted to try out for a long time is grabbed. And continued with research to make other races feelcomfortable on our worlds.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0053-4.jpgA grave strategic mistake will cost us two colonies. Thundara II, the only Morrigi colony in the Human cluster,was gearing up for war all the time. They surprise us with an attack on our colonies in that cluster.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0058-2.jpgThe inbound green marker line is the promise of mistake removal. Our flagship, "Pesem" is coming. It is not alone.It will arrive too late for Bob II.https://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/?action=view¤t=screen0065-3.jpgIncome we wield is just our of proportions. There is nothing we can't do. This is not just something we canrest upon, it is also an obligation to use it in the best interest of all of living creatures.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0060-4.jpgOur current population setting. Morrigi will repopulate their worlds and climate will be kept to accommodate themas best as possible. Naturally this means out populations will grow extremely slow, so the majority of theremaining place is currently appointed to Hivers. Our own people are also brought by several biomes.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0064-1.jpgAnother kind station will be built. Not for any special purpose really. A research station "Globina" (The Deep).https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0067-1.jpgUpdate ends with sights from recent battles. Would that I had nothing to show!A sparkly. Morrigi impactor dread.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0072-1.jpgA not sparkly. Our projector dread, with DN sized satellites in the background.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0075-1.jpgIn action.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0077-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veki Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 How many colonies do you have? And how many trade routes? You earn a lot of money. Are your planes fully populated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I hope I'll remember to check... The number is pretty big obviously. After AI Economics was researched the colony income became bigger than trade again. All planets in the starting cluster, the second one and at least from the first defeated Zuul are completely populated - with Xenopopulation, too - and all trade lines in use. I didn't bother to fill them completely as the income jumped over anything we'd need. Clusters that once belonged to the last two defeated Zuul are probably still growing civilian populations. I just can't keep up with new trade routes available so I stopped caring to enable them all. it would be a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorondor Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Do you mind posting one of those 'blobular' views of the whole galaxy on your next update? I'm kind of swimming in the dark. :: p.s.: hope you're feeling better SV. Let your song long be heard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I hope I took a picture of a blobular (empire) view back in turn 220+. I have a bit (not much) of a backlog but I think I did take it every now and then. I'm better, thanks for asking. It was nothing serious, but I was feeling like crap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Just when you thought a view can not get any brighter...https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0082-2.jpgAt Gallandro Morrigi population wanted some trip out of reality. They manage for a turn, than an appropriate responseis researched. Sorry dragons, you just don't sing well enough under influence. Also, our pursuit to be able to createnice worlds for all continues.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0089-1.jpgA blobular view from the side. The local space is settled by all kinds of empires, so the view looks choppier andchoppier.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0094.jpgThere are four of our clusters in the lower green blob. In the middle part there are (from left to right) a Hiver clusterin dark green, a Human cluster in purple, Liir-Human mixed cluster in the centre - Gallandro would be in the right-mostpeak of the cluster, and a Morrigi cluster in blue, where only Gudea was able to withstand the wrath of the dragons.Red Tarka clusters hang above us all.Same view, top down. Our empire seems to be above the red Tarka, but it is only because of the vivid colour of our empire.The size of red stars reveals that they are closer than our empire.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0095-1.jpgA Morrigi habitat station. One hundred million dragons that can not be kept alive, as stations count as ships and needto be destroyed or are destroyed at a surrender.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0096-2.jpg"Materin objem" protectorate ship is still around. Here is an example of how many cruisers can get a free shield... Nice.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0098.jpgWe are able to add Human population to Gallandro. Their number will be high as their CH is close to that of Morrigi. OnlyTarka CH is closer and they will be added soon.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0100.jpgA pretty ending effect of Meson projectors. Quite a bang.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0103-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veki Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Very nice picture of Meson projector in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silencer_pl Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 In my game pinky also used Meson Projector - maybe I will also get it through salvage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 Only showing these for the art. Do notice that we have a common research project with Morrigi...https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0104-1.jpghttps://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0105.jpghttps://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0106.jpgMore research related art and more effort to leave all species alive, no matter what happens. Drones wereresearched only to see what they look like.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0107.jpgFirst fleets have arrived to Morrigi sector. First Morrigi worlds join our empire.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0113.jpgGallandro become first omny-species world. All former Morrigi worlds will follow.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0114.jpgI have never seen a battle of absorbers before... That is a sight to see... as a slideshow! My poor comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silencer_pl Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 have never seen a battle of absorbers before... That is a sight to see... as a slideshow! My poor comp. What about my recent video huh ? And you let your CnC die!! also pulsed phaser is not that good for absorbers because it can bounce off like lasers. AM Cannons work much better or projector Hmm.. how can you have joint project with Morrigi when you are at war with them ? That picture of Morrigi vs Liir... their facial exp<b></b>ression does really say hatred for each of you To add that both Morrigi and Liir are capable psionics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 I don't think you recent vid has absorbers on both sides. This is what hit my comp the most - both ships powering each other's weapons. I have no idea on the joint research in wartime thing. I tried for fun, just to see their elongated beaks, but I was obviously surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 A quest to see the Liir drones goes on.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0002-82.jpgWondered what a dragon in space looks like? Well, like this:https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0004-76.jpgMost of our fleets have arrived to Morrigi space. Flagship with escorts is dispatched to deal directly with theserpent's head.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0008-54.jpgMeanwhile Gudea is doing magic on its own, too. Destroying enemy colonies that won't yield, letting the remainingcivilians declare independence and incorporating the independent colonies.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0010-45.jpgOur forces are eating into dragon space.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0011-45.jpgThey are trying all sorts of ships, like the disruptor shield. Could work great really, if they were used on a fleetlevel instead of an individual ship. This way their bird was easily flanked and its cloaca warmed up.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0013-37.jpgDrones researched. We could stop research, but there are sensory techs that are better to have in our arsenal.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0014-44.jpgAnd here they are. Pretty squid and mantas. With deadly weaponry.https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0016-35.jpghttps://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0017-30.jpgTo see how others are faring a Tarka-Hiver battle was observed. Having no say in it I tried to recreate what everybattle should look like to a player in my game of dreams. Seeing sci-fi action movie, observing where most ishappening, enjoying the view. NOT moving ships inch by inch on a plane or even targeting weapon systems. If I succeededor not is another question that you need to answer. It can always be done better, naturally.The vid holds a little (huge) spoiler at the end, so if you want to see the future... BTW, the vid already has some views! Are you guys watching the future before "it happens" in the AAR? He he he, I don'tmind, I just hope the story is not spoilt for you too much by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veki Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Very nice video. The part where you follow a drone is film like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 That was pure luck, he he he! Hunters, too. Tarka had a very diverse fleet which was unexpected. Also that drone was lucky enough to survive the first pass through phaser PD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorondor Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Now that was definitely worth the watch! Some very cool sights to be seen and the hot volleys being exchanged. :: Thanks for the upload, SV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The battle you saw was not just a pretty sight. A lot of Hivers died there. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0034-10.jpg We'll have to do something to prevent the bloodshed. If you watched the vid, this is no news to you; https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0029-15.jpg Morrigi were not utterly destroyed though. They accepted a surrender before our flagship arrived to their HW.Spoils of war would mean more were we hanging on the edge. But there is joy in keeping all Morrigi alive. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0025-21.jpg https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0032-10.jpg This is a rare sight; an enemy HW with all infrastructure intact. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0030-10.jpg Our alliance is not a rock-hard as it once was. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0035-8.jpg The reason is most likely my passiveness against Hivers. That being true or not is irrelevant, the game must be ended beforeour relations get any worse. The only way out that I can see is one I hoped to prevent. War against Hivers, a Blitzkrieg to makethem surrender as soon as possible. This way we can keep all of them alive and also prevent the alliance to take it out oninnocent... bugs. All fleets operating in Morrigi cluster are immediately sent to a gathering at Pyyrus. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0028-15.jpg Worlds with Hiver gates are rechecked to see if there are any Hiver fleets circling them. Appropriate productionis set in motion. Research is directed into survival of our citizens where we can not take immediate action, whichis also the end of the research for this game. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0036-10.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Voyager Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Fleets are sent into the heart of Hiver cluster, where our colony Rizketep has been buildingnew ships for some time now in preparation for a sad task that lies before us. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0001-93.jpg It is a sad task indeed. I've tried all kinds of diplomatic actions, but members of or allianceweren't moved by any of them. Inviting Hivers into the alliance was the least to their liking.Speed is of the essence now, we can not stand by and see Humans and Tarka slowly eradicate sentient fellow beings. Another revelation is given to us, but it is of no use. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0002-83.jpg This is how it all looks at the moment. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0004-77.jpg In terms of alliances, Hivers are completely dwarfed. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0005-66.jpg Fleets explode from Rizketep. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0006-54.jpg A Hiver fleet is a turn away from a Human world. If we don't want to listen to even more screams,we have to act. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0007-59.jpg Please, friends, yield. You will be treated with respect. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0008-55.jpg Hivers listen, and know the direness of their situation. Almost as if they were waiting for this,but nobody cared to offer it sooner. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0009-51.jpg How many lives could we have saved more have we moved faster? https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0011-46.jpg https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0012b.jpg Finally we can put our battlesuits aside, to be grown over by coral and become a hiding placefor the fish. It will take a long time, but our wounds can begin the healing process and wewill be reborn among our people. https://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/SpaceVoyager/SotS%20TAR/screen0012-43.jpg ...Thank you all for listening to this story, and sorry if more bloodshed was expected.Liir are not the people to show it if there is a way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silencer_pl Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Liir are not the people to show it if there is a way around. Yeah right... Good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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