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#41 Space Voyager

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 07:44 AM

My intention with the ceiling was to retain its wooden look yet to make it lighter, thus room look bigger and keep a lot more light.

So I decided to buy a white non-covering lacquer, dissolve it a bit more and apply a thin coat. This would make original dark brown colour a lot lighter.

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When I finished kitchen, I took this photo to show you a comparison between former state (on the right, living room) and later state (on the left, kitchen).
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So. Do you see silk-like evenly applied coating that made my ceiling look lighter?

You don't?

THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE, DAMMIT!!!

It looked cool on the tester, a board that I painted. But the board was not a big one and it was very smooth. I was able to apply the damn lacquer very evenly. THIS crap looks as if...
I COATED THE CEILING WITH A THIN LAYER OF BIRD POO! Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

Anyway, I need to meditate on this bird poo a bit, but it is most likely that I'll buy a covering wood finish and paint the damn ceiling. It will look somewhat plastic but compared to what I did...

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:32 AM

It seems as if your blood pressure is... going through the roof, SV. :P

Why not replace that wood entirely, with something that doesn't require painting? Like some kind of insulation.

Wood is pretty and all that, but can be a real pain in the behind mid-term, and not just to paint, but to maintain. Some bugs love to eat it and it can undesireably hide humidity that will slowly make it rot.

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Expanded cork boards/panels/tiles are an excellent, if a bit pricey, solution for instance. It's a natural product which is recyclable, light, not permeable to gases or liquids, provides great thermal and acoustical insulation and looks quite nice and distinctive to boot - with finish or painting entirely optional.

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Here's a link with some extra info: http://www.jelinek.com/wall.htm

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:53 AM

It is also dark so it would need painting anyway. This is why I started it all. And extra work to screw it on.

Not in my best of moods today.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:47 AM

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So I decided to buy a white non-covering lacquer, dissolve it a bit more and apply a thin coat. This would make original dark brown colour a lot lighter.

Oh God damn it.  I was working on similar wood not too long ago, which also needed brightening.  I stripped the dark varnish off, and redid the wood with clear varnish.

Could have just repainted it.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:05 AM

View PostFullAuto, on 1st September 2011, 11:47am, said:

Oh God damn it.  I was working on similar wood not too long ago, which also needed brightening.  I stripped the dark varnish off, and redid the wood with clear varnish.
Now THAT is a LOT of work... But a possibility.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:55 AM

Kitchen is painted.
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Today, it is ceiling, take 2. I bought a covering colour and I hope one coating will do.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:30 AM

That's already looking wonderfully light, SV.  I can smell the baking already.

/books flight to Slovenia.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 12:06 PM

View PostFullAuto, on 5th September 2011, 12:30pm, said:

/books flight to Slovenia.
/reserves a room for FA.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 04:48 PM

What are the two holes to the right of your doorway?
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 05:01 PM

Laser barrier projectors. SV doesn't want any illegal aliens gaining entry to the kitchen!

Which also applies to when FA tries to raid the fridge late at night for a snack... :P

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Very nice choice of yellow, by the way. :P

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:19 PM

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Which also applies to when FA tries to raid the fridge late at night for a snack...

If I get into that kitchen I'm not leaving voluntarily!

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:23 AM

View PostJman4117, on 5th September 2011, 4:48pm, said:

What are the two holes to the right of your doorway?

View PostThorondor, on 5th September 2011, 5:01pm, said:

Laser barrier projectors. SV doesn't want any illegal aliens gaining entry to the kitchen!

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Electricity plug below and light switch above.

BTW, yellow that you see in the living room is not the yellow you will see in the coming days (today if I kick myself hard enough). I'll repaint it with a lighter, smoother shade of yellow, more suitable for living room - or at least this is what we agreed upon (read: what she wanted).

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:51 AM

Ah well, ceiling didn't turn out total crap. Nadja is quite happy with it so it means I'm ecstatic.
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It took me cca. 10 hours to paint it twice. I started to paint with normal brush, as I was told by Andrej it makes better covering than roller. For that he would have been killed if he did not come and help me paint the living room yesterday. It went like 10 times faster with a roller after I cursed like a construction worker and threw the brush away. Only the wide one naturally, I needed the small one for details like all crannies between boards.

Floor mastermind came by to throw out excess parquet and install a new one. This is where the wall used to be. We agreed that it would be best if it looked like it was deliberately different from the surroundings to mark the transition between two rooms. This is the raw form naturally, he will sand and coat the whole floor now.
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Luckily this happened BEFORE the living room was painted. And no, I didn't fetch a real camera with a macro filming option.
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And yes, it was a mosquito.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 01:25 PM

The ceiling turned out quite nice indeed. Congrats, SV! :P

Cursing is extremely useful under certain circumstances. As we've seen here it's always best to have it generously employed while the work is undergoing, since if you happen to be driven to expletives afterwards it's surely not a very good sign. :P

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If you could have avoided slamming your fist against the wall to kill that mosquito the outcome would have been virtually flawless... ;)

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 11:35 PM

The ceiling has actually turned out alright.  And hey, if the lady is happy, you can't ask for anything more.

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We agreed that it would be best if it looked like it was deliberately different from the surroundings to mark the transition between two rooms.

Sensible, getting it to match colour-wise could be a bugger.

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 01:20 AM

View PostSpace Voyager, on 1st September 2011, 2:44am, said:

My intention with the ceiling was to retain its wooden look yet to make it lighter, thus room look bigger and keep a lot more light.

So I decided to buy a white non-covering lacquer, dissolve it a bit more and apply a thin coat. This would make original dark brown colour a lot lighter.

So. Do you see silk-like evenly applied coating that made my ceiling look lighter?

You don't?

THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NONE, DAMMIT!!!

It looked cool on the tester, a board that I painted. But the board was not a big one and it was very smooth. I was able to apply the damn lacquer very evenly. THIS crap looks as if...
I COATED THE CEILING WITH A THIN LAYER OF BIRD POO!

Anyway, I need to meditate on this bird poo a bit, but it is most likely that I'll buy a covering wood finish and paint the damn ceiling. It will look somewhat plastic but compared to what I did...
*nods* Trying to lighten up dark wood with a transparent stain or lacquer is nearly impossible. Were you trying to roll it on? Overlap is a huge concern so you would almost need to roll the entire length of the board in one pass with no re-dips of the roller in the pan/bucket. A power roller might have been better. But overlap from doing the grooves would have been just as bad.

Your other option would be a paint sprayer. That method would be a little easier (no tedious paining the grooves with a brush) but a professional really needs to apply it so it looks acceptable. Still no guarantees with that method either.

Another option would have been a semi-transparent or solid color stain. Semi-transparent would have provided better coverage and also would be less likely to show overlap. Solid color would be basically just like paint, except it would show the grain more. Or you could have done what FA did: strip the boards to try and remove the dark color and then clear coat it. Very, very tedious though.

Personally, I think you made the best choice by painting it. Ceilings are very hard to clean (especially in a kitchen where cooking grease has a tendency to condense on the ceiling and that in turn collects dust making it harder) so a nice smooth surface is almost a necessity.

You did a good job though, nice. :P

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 07:52 AM

Thank you for the tips. I don't think I'll try lightening up wood ever again. If I wanted the slightest chance of success I would have to apply a layer or three of transparent lacquer before going for white (or whatever light colour) transparent (translucent?) lacquer. This way the boards would perhaps not soak all the water (it was a water based lacquer) instantly and I'd have more time to apply it evenly.

As it was the water was soaked in a second and even when I tried to distribute it it was obvious where I rolled twice over that board. Everything that was not completely optimal became visible - uneven boards, unevenly distributed lacquer on a roller... And there was a lot of that.

Any future ceiling projects will go in two directions; I'll either cover the existing ceiling with a new wooden ceiling, as I did in Tjaša's room (I'll post pics) or simply screw plaster boards (knauf) over it. That is the easiest way to be honest. Patch it up and paint it with normal wall colour of your choice. If I had known I'll need to paint the ceiling with a covering colour sooner I'd probably opt for plaster instead. I'd need the same amount of time (were I prepared) and in the future any colour changes I'd want would be easy, cheap and very fast.

Meh, enough whining.

Living room is painted.
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At the kitchen-living room joint I'll use the third paint. It will be a stone/concrete grey. It will be applied as a 10-15m edge all around and on the inside of the "arch" to give it a stone arch kinda look. On the wall where there is no arch it will only be a stripe as wide as the wall was.
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Today sanding of the floor begins so this final painting project will have to wait a day or two. No problem, as long as the kitchen is ready for the kitchen elements.

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 03:28 PM

View PostSpace Voyager, on 9th September 2011, 2:52am, said:

Thank you for the tips. I don't think I'll try lightening up wood ever again. If I wanted the slightest chance of success I would have to apply a layer or three of transparent lacquer before going for white (or whatever light colour) transparent (translucent?) lacquer. This way the boards would perhaps not soak all the water (it was a water based lacquer) instantly and I'd have more time to apply it evenly.

As it was the water was soaked in a second and even when I tried to distribute it it was obvious where I rolled twice over that board. Everything that was not completely optimal became visible - uneven boards, unevenly distributed lacquer on a roller... And there was a lot of that.

Any future ceiling projects will go in two directions; I'll either cover the existing ceiling with a new wooden ceiling, as I did in Tjaša's room (I'll post pics) or simply screw plaster boards (knauf) over it. That is the easiest way to be honest. Patch it up and paint it with normal wall colour of your choice. If I had known I'll need to paint the ceiling with a covering colour sooner I'd probably opt for plaster instead. I'd need the same amount of time (were I prepared) and in the future any colour changes I'd want would be easy, cheap and very fast.
You probably would have got better results with an oil-based product instead of water. It would have soaked in just as fast, but there wouldn't have been much overlap since it doesn't dry as quick giving you more time to even out areas with more stain. Heck, I would think a good quality wiping stain would have worked assuming that you could apply it into the cracks with a rag. So, oil-based and spraying it might have been better. But that's water under the bridge at this point. ;)

I'd be more inclined to keep an existing wooden ceiling if it was in good shape & didn't have any holes in it, etc. Not many people can claim to have wood ceilings over here and it's a nice architectural detail to keep if possible. But recovering with new wood? Nah, I'd opt for a new wood floor before I'd go with a ceiling anyday. Parquet really doesn't scream modern to me (not that this is what you are going for with the archway details and such). Even so, I'd opt to redo one room in new tongue and groove hardwood flooring and leave the other one alone. That way you wouldn't have that splice of disparate wood where the wall stood. JMHO though, as I don't know what your budget was. :P

View PostSpace Voyager, on 9th September 2011, 2:52am, said:

Today sanding of the floor begins so this final painting project will have to wait a day or two. No problem, as long as the kitchen is ready for the kitchen elements.
Good luck. Remember to cover all doorways in plastic to minimize the dust in the rest of your house. I'm interested to see how the floor turns out. Even though I'm not a huge fan of parquet, once you get a glossy coat of finish on it, I think it will shine. :P

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 09:43 AM

View PostZombie, on 9th September 2011, 3:28pm, said:

You probably would have got better results with an oil-based product instead of water. It would have soaked in just as fast, but there wouldn't have been much overlap since it doesn't dry as quick giving you more time to even out areas with more stain. Heck, I would think a good quality wiping stain would have worked assuming that you could apply it into the cracks with a rag. So, oil-based and spraying it might have been better. But that's water under the bridge at this point. :P
LUCKILY it is. It is also beyond my level of expertise frankly.  :P

View PostZombie, on 9th September 2011, 3:28pm, said:

But recovering with new wood? Nah, I'd opt for a new wood floor before I'd go with a ceiling anyday. Parquet really doesn't scream modern to me (not that this is what you are going for with the archway details and such). Even so, I'd opt to redo one room in new tongue and groove hardwood flooring and leave the other one alone. That way you wouldn't have that splice of disparate wood where the wall stood. JMHO though, as I don't know what your budget was.
Budget is tight, scraping money from pay to pay. I'm not fastest of workers so this was not unbearable. :) But, as you noticed, I'm also not very fond of modern look, with the exception of aluminium that - in my opinion - goes incredibly well with wood, and I love wood. So I'd be keeping parquet in any case.

On wooden ceiling - this is how I did the ceiling in Tjaša's room:
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BTW, this will end up being our bedroom in the end as it is the smallest room in the upper floor that we will occupy. If I knew that perhaps I wouldn't have bothered with all the lacquering, cutting etc... But I had all the time I needed back then. I'll have to think of something for a new children's room for both Tjaša and Ajda. Frankly I feel a little spent lately and have little will to engage in a complete redo of that room as well. Perhaps knauf. I'll take a week or two to think it over.

View PostZombie, on 9th September 2011, 3:28pm, said:

once you get a glossy coat of finish on it, I think it will shine.
Not if I have anything to say about it. ;) I specifically demanded a semi-matte covering. I hate the reflections all over, it could be especially painful in the evenings as this is house's West side.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 04:52 PM

That ceiling does look lovely, natural wood colour and all.

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