Kernel Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Looks like someone's got the wrong end of the stick again.Futuremark has NEVER done any reaserch on starforce drivers. https://www.futuremark.com/news/?newsarticl...0603/2006032104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Looks like someone's got the wrong end of the stick again.Futuremark has NEVER done any reaserch on starforce drivers. https://www.futuremark.com/news/?newsarticl...0603/2006032104 Now you know why I prefer old fashioned hard copy over forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernel Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 On related copy protection news:Elder Scroll IV: Oblivion has no copy protection on the DVD. It does however have a simple CD check. This means you can make backups of the disk, or use a disk image with something like Game Drive or similar and the game will still run. This will ensure your DVD will be safe from scratches in years to come. I'm liking Bethesda more and more... first they create a good game... and then they do this.THANK YOU BETHESDA!!! Link to the elder scrolls forum posts about copy protection: https://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...ic=278496&st=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I heard they dropped StarForce because of the negative reports on their forums. Now if only UbiSoft will listen too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Kernel Thanks for the additional input. Keep it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaughter Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 More stuff (haven't read it myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Y'know, I just a very strange theory occur to me... Maybe, just maybe, Jack Thompson works at StarForce in his spare time... The scary part is that it all makes sense when you think about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetoris Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I like the idea of serials only and the attitude of Stardock as a company. However it got some obvious flaws, but finding a perfect solution is probably far away at the moment. I got a copy of GalCiv 2 here myself, it's a great game and I really enjoy it. Especially after some of the updates that are available. But the thing is..it's my friends copy. How? He simply gave me the cd, and as soon as there's a new patch, he downloads and sends it to me. You don't have to be a genious to figure out that 'solution' to the problem, it was the easiest "crack"-job ever. Sharing without boundaries. ..but for the first time ever, I actually felt bad about it. Strange..isn't it? How something all of a sudden is bad when there's no object in the way, as if stealing from the bank is right, but stealing from a helpless senior is wrong. I ended up buying the game yesterday, and this is hopefully what more 'pirates' like me will start doing. Cheers to Stardock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikal Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Just seen a topic reply by Avenger over on the Altar Forum. Apparently Ubisoft are dropping Starforce due to a class action being taken agains them. It makes very interesting reading and has disclosed something I was not aware of. Class action against Ubisoft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernel Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 ROFLMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praetoris Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I think Starforce has turned into something that will be considered bad by gaming communities and developers - just by rumour. No matter how hard they might prove that they've improved or optimized their methods people will still be screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernel Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 More news about ubisoft and starforce. https://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/4/13/3574 Of course now the question is... will the replacement copy protection software Ubi-soft use be any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Of course now the question is... will the replacement copy protection software Ubi-soft use be any better.It certainly can't be any worse. No other copy protection scheme on this planet can boast of screwing up your computer! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriminal99 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Does starforce provide protection against piracy? Hell no. It's just a matter of how badly people want the game to be cracked as to whether a particular game gets cracked or not. If you want a game with copy protection that wont be cracked make a game that doesn't appeal to the technical savy like barbie wonderland or something. The fact that information is easy to reproduce is a two way streak. Sure you can get rich making a video game because the variable costs are very small. Because a video game is nothing but information. But thats exactly what makes it so easy to steal. If it wasn't for music being able to be broken down into information and freely distributed, then musicians would ALL still be making poor wages serving those few people they could without such technology, ie the people who could hear their voice without any sound systems. What we are seeing today is that musicians want to be able to serve the entire planet by singing a song once, yet want to charge the same amount to every person served as if they were back in the village tavern. This is an abhorration of capitolism. Eventually what we are going to have to do is rethink concepts like intellectual property. It is mutually exclusive with capitolism anyways- which depends on a free flow of information to work correctly. It may be harder to understand this regarding video games and music, but take pension plans for example. Lets say you figure out how to best make employment at your company competitive (such that you attract better people) while making the best use of your limited resources. But you go to implement the system and get a cease and desist letter from some financial services company claiming copywright infringement. They patented the system or mathematical formula that drives the system you discovered! Now good people don't want to work for you unless you pay these people whatever they demand to use this superior pension system. Maybe you can't afford it even though your company will eventually fail without it... which means higher bars to entry, which means less competition. It means more of the consumers dollars are being misdirected into the pockets of this financial services company who weren't even necessarily the first to discover this technique but rather the first to patent it. More uneven distribution of wealth. Sure I could have used a simpler example like someone patenting gravity and sueing anyone who didn't pay royalties on things that fall. But this example is realistic. I think the model that will eventually be used is a services based model like stardock. IE you could make your own pension plan, but the financial services company is better at it than you and can come set it up at your company easier than you could. If they charge you less than what it would cost you in time and money to do it yourself then it is worth it. It is really the same thing with music and video games. It is human nature which makes a particular song fun to listen to, and the singer didn't invent human nature. It is only because there are so many different songs that can be made that are fun to listen to that it hasn't become obvious that intellectual property is a problematic concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Ah the Smartmeister is back Loved this response to Mr Smart on this thread: https://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=765&st=0 (James @ Mar 17 2006, 04:41 PM)Watch out, he's got a Ph. D and he's not afraid to use it! Цитата(DSmart*3000AD* @ Mar 17 2006, 02:41 PM) *I use Starforce in my two latest products. NONE of install base have ever reported a problem with it. Given how badly designed your games are, Starforce is the least of your install base's worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullAuto Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I prefer: Go away you insufferable twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Ahh, Mr Ph D. Eloquent, is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 He's my hero, don't mock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernel Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I'm sorry people... we've finaly had to cart Pete off to the asylum.His mental illness got so bad yesterday that he started to say Derek Smart was his hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matri Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I'm sorry people... we've finaly had to cart Pete off to the asylum.His mental illness got so bad yesterday that he started to say Derek Smart was his hero. Sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 To slightly paraphrase what the StarForce moderator said later in that thread:Don't listen to the nasty peope Dayrock PHD, we still wub you for blindly supporting our product! I dunno, I'm leaning towards the Starforce folks' point of view here. I think we need a "We wub Dayrock" thread... whaddya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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