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I'm trying to correct a few ammo issues (the Johnson LMG should use .30-06 and the Thompsons should both use .45 ACP). However, my changes to clips seem to have no effect on the game, even though my changes to weapon, ammo, and clip names are all working fine.

 

What I've done is go into RPGClips and change the AmmoGroup for #103 (Johnson LMG clip) to "5", so that it uses the same ammo as the Browning BAR and M1 Garand. But this doesn't seem to change anything. So I assume I'm looking at the wrong column. I have no idea where else to look though. Has anyone had any success with this?

 

P.S. This is for S3.

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You know what? It seems to have worked after all. I was testing this in an existing S3 game that I added the mod to using S3AddMod.exe. The Johnson LMG I carried still listed ".30 Carbine" as its ammo type, but when I unloaded it, the ammo clip correctly said ".30-06 Springfield". I sold the Johnson back to the store then bought it again. Voila! It now lists its ammo as .30-06 and so do the clips he sells. Hooray!
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I'm trying to figure out what to do with the British Luger. I honestly have no idea what this ".38 British Service" is and can't find any record of it. I've just made it a 9mm for now, which from what I can tell is what the British versions used. But now it's not really any different from the standard P08, so what's the point?

 

I'm considering changing it to a .45 Luger, which was a very rare .45 ACP variant that was made as a submission for US Army testing in 1906. It wouldn't make any sense at all for it to show up on the front lines, but then S3 seems to revel in making test and experimental weapons available to soldiers. :(

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I'd rather not introduce another ammo type if I can help it. The 7.65mm Parabellum isn't in the game or used by any other weapon, and I'd prefer that at least a couple of guns use any particular cartridge. Another possibility would be to chamber it for the Sauer 38's 7.65mm Browning (.32 ACP), as there were also experimental Lugers in this caliber as well.

 

My main concern now is making sure that with all my changes, enemies spawn with the correct magazines for their weapon.

 

Here's a list of what I've done so far:

 

 

Replaced the .38 "British Service" ammo type with the .30 Mauser, for use in the Mauser Broomhandle pistols.

Replaced the DeLizl .45 ammo type with the .38 Special, for use in the S&W Colt Detective Special.

Replaced one of the Luger clips with the .30 Mauser clip for use in the Mauser Broomhandle pistols.

Both Thompson SMGs and their magazines now use .45 ACP ammo.

The Bren LMG magazine now holds 30 rounds.

The Johnson LMG and its magazine now use .30-06 ammo.

The Colt Detective Special now uses .38 Special ammo.

The Luger (British) has been replaced with the prototype Luger .45 and uses .45 ACP ammo.

The 1926 and M712 Mauser C-96s now use .30 Mauser ammo.

 

 

NAME CHANGES

** Ammo and Clips **

.38 Parabellum --> 9mm Parabellum

12.7 Vickers --> 12.7mm Vickers

13.0 Mauser --> 13.0mm Mauser

13.2 French --> 13.2mm French

20.0 Erlicon --> 20.0mm Erlicon

20.0 Mauser --> 20.0mm Mauser

6.5 Manlicher-Carcano --> 6.5mm Manlicher-Carcano

7.5 MAS --> 7.5mm MAS

7.62 Garand --> .30 Carbine

7.62 Nagant --> 7.62mm Nagant

7.62 Springfield --> .30-06 Springfield

7.62x23 USSR --> 7.62x25mm Tokarev

7.62x39R USSR --> 7.62x39mm USSR

7.62x53R USSR --> 7.62x53mm USSR

7.65 Sauer --> .32 ACP

7.92 MSS-41 AP Clip. --> 7.92mm MSS-41 AP Clip

7.92x33 Mauser --> 7.92mm Kurz

7.92x57 Mauser --> 7.92mm Mauser

AK47 Magazine --> AK-47 Magazine

Bazooka Rocket (Armor Piercing) --> M1 "Bazooka Rocket" (Armor Piercing)

Bazooka Rocket Propelled Grenade --> M1 "Bazooka" Shell

Browning M1922 Magazine --> BAR Magazine

Colt Detective Special .38 S&W rounds --> .38 Special rounds

Colt M1911 BigJoe Arrow --> Colt M1911 "Big Joe" Arrow

Colt M1911 Pistol Clip. --> Colt M1911 Pistol Clip

Flak38 Magazine. --> Flak38 Magazine

Garand M1 Rifle Clip --> M1 Garand Clip

JHP 7.62x23 USSR --> 7.62x25mm Tokarev JHP

Johnson Light Gun --> Bren Machine Gun Magazine

Lee-Enfiled 10-round Rifle Clip --> Lee-Enfield 10-round Rifle Clip

Little Joe Arrow --> "Little Joe" Arrow

Little Joe Arrow --> "Little Joe" Arrow

M-1 Carbine Clip --> M1 Carbine Clip

M20 Bazooka Shell --> M20 "Super Bazooka" Shell

M20 Bazooka rocket (Armor Piercing) --> M20 "Super Bazooka" Shell (Armor Piercing)

MG34 Boxed Cartridge Belt --> MG34 Drum Magazine

Mauser 1912 Pistol Clip --> Mauser C-96 1912 Pistol Clip

Mauser M.712 Pistol Clip --> Mauser C-96 M712 Pistol Clip

Mosin Rifle Clip --> Mosin-Nagant Rifle Clip

Nagant 1896 Cartridges --> 7.62mm Nagant Revolver Cartridges

PIAT rocket. --> PIAT rocket

PTR "Boys" --> .55 Boys

PTR Boys Magazine --> Boys Anti-tank Rifle Magazine

Panzershrek Rocket Propelled Grenade --> Panzerschrek Rocket Propelled Grenade

STG43 SMG Magazine --> STG44 SMG Magazine

SVT- 40 Rifle Clip --> SVT40 Rifle Clip

Sauer 38X Pistol Clip --> Sauer 38 Pistol Clip

Speedloader for Six .38 rounds --> Speedloader for Six .455 rounds

Sterling Patchett Clip --> Sterling SMG Clip

Stuning Dart --> Tranquilizer Dart

TKB408 Clip --> TKB-408 Clip

TT Pistol Clip --> TT-33 Pistol Clip

Thompson 1928 SMG Magazine --> Thompson M1 Magazine

Thompson M1 SMG Drum Magazine --> Thompson 1928 Drum Magazine

Vickers 12.7 Boxed Cartridge Belt. --> Vickers 12.7mm Boxed Cartridge Belt

 

 

** Weapons **

AK47 --> AK-47

Bazooka M1 --> M1 "Bazooka"

Beretta M38-42 --> Beretta M38/42

Beretta M38-42 Silenced --> Beretta M38/42 Silenced

Black Jack Club --> Blackjack

Bren --> Bren Mk1 Light Machine Gun

Browning M1922 --> Browning Automatic Rifle M1922

Carbine 1938 --> Mosin-Nagant Carbine 1938

Carbine 98K Scoped --> Mauser Carbine 98K Scoped

Carbine 98K Scoped, Silenced --> Mauser Carbine 98K Scoped, Silenced

Carbine DeLizl Silenced --> DeLisle Carbine Silenced

Carbine M1 1936 --> M1 Carbine 1936

Chakra --> Chakram

Chatellerault M1924/1929 --> Chatellerault M1924/29

DP --> Degtyarev DP-28

FG 42 --> FG42

G-41 W --> G41(W)

G-41 W Scoped --> G41(W) Scoped

Garand M1 --> M1 Garand

Garand M1 Scoped --> M1 Garand Scoped

Johnson Light Gun --> Johnson Light Machine Gun

Khukuri Knife --> Khukri Knife

Luger British --> Luger .45

M20 Bazooka --> M20 "Super Bazooka"

M3A1 --> M3A1 "Grease Gun"

M3A1 Silenced --> M3A1 "Grease Gun" Silenced

MG 34 --> MG34

MG-34 Tripod Mounted --> MG34 Tripod Mounted

MP 28 - Bergmann --> Bergmann MP 28

MP 38 --> MP38

MP 40 --> MP40

MP 40-II --> MP40/II

Mauser K96 1912 --> Mauser C-96 1912

Mauser K96 1912 Silenced --> Mauser C-96 1912 Silenced

Mauser K96 1926 --> Mauser C-96 1926

Mauser M.712 --> Mauser C-96 M712

Mosin 1891-1930 --> Mosin-Nagant 1891/30

Mosin 1891-1930 Scoped --> Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 Scoped

Nagant 1910 --> Nagant Revolver 1910

Nagant 1910 Silenced --> Nagant Revolver 1910 Silenced

PIAT --> PIAT Rocket Launcher

PIAT Rocket Launcher --> Panzerklein PIAT Rocket Launcher

PTR Boys Gun --> Boys Anti-tank Rifle

Pukke Knife --> Puukko Knife

Rifle 33-40 --> CZ 33/40 Carbine

Rifle 33-40 Scoped --> CZ 33/40 Carbine Scoped

STG 43 --> STG44

SVT 40 --> SVT40

SVT 40 Scoped --> SVT40 Scoped

Sauer 38X --> Sauer 38

Sten Mk II --> Sten MkII

Sten Mk IV --> Sten MkIV

Sten Mk V --> Sten MkV

Sterling Patchett --> Sterling L2A3

Sterling Patchett Para --> Sterling Mk7 Para

Sterling Patchett Silencer --> Sterling L34A1 Silenced

Stun Air-Rifle Silenced --> Tranquilizer Rifle Silenced

Stun Pistol Silenced --> Tranquilizer Pistol Silenced

Suomi --> Suomi M1931

TKB408 --> TKB-408

TT 1933 --> Tokarev TT-33

Thompson 1923 --> Thompson 1928

Thompson 1928 --> Thompson M1

Vickers 12.7 --> Vickers Machine Gun

Vickers Machine Gun --> Panzerklein Vickers Machine Gun

Volksgewehr45 --> Volksgewehr VG1-5

Wood Chopping Axe --> Hatchet

ZB 26-30 --> ZB 26/30

 

 

** Other Equipment **

Advanced Picklock --> Advanced Lockpick

Bullet Extractor. --> Bullet Extractor

Decyphering Book --> Deciphering Book

Forceps, Abbey --> Kelly Forceps

Hecsogen Charge --> Hexogen Charge

Meduim --> Medium

Metal Scissors --> Bolt cutters

Nytroglycerin Charge --> Nitroglycerin Charge

Picklock --> Lockpick

Picklock Set --> Lockpick Set

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But now it's not really any different from the standard P08, so what's the point?

 

I'm also modding the default weapons, and that's a problem I'm running into as well. Many of the weapons in the game are identical mechanically, but differ slightly cosmetically. (MP38 vs MP40, for example.) Therefore the difference in stats between the two weapons is purely arbitrary... so, why even have 2 identical (in game terms) weapons?

 

It's an interesting puzzle...

 

On an entirely different note - I'm doing a weapon mod as well. It started small - changing a few stats here and there. But, it has now morphed into a complete overhaul of every firearm in the game (explosives and melee weapons are next). It just seems a shame that many people are doing the same thing (more or less) as I, which is pretty darn inefficient... I just wonder if there's a way to collaborate on projects... or if anyone would even be interested?

 

Seems a waste to constantly re-invent the wheel.

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I'd be interested. Mind you, the mod I'm currently working is just to straighten out errors in the game as is. I'm not yet at a point where I want to start messing with weapon stats and balance. After that I'm going to start looking at adding some content, so perhaps that can be the possibility of collaboration.
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7.62x53R USSR --> 7.62x53mm USSR

7.62x54R

DP --> Degtyarev DP-28

DP-27.

7.65 Sauer --> .32 ACP

AFAIK incorrect. Really this is a 7.65x17. "Nationality" of this weapon (Sauer 38X) is german (or swiss), and american name convention (.32 ACP, BTW really - .30 ACP) is not applicable for it.

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7.62x54R

Cartridges of the World (8th Edition) lists it as the 7.62x53Rmm Russian and states that it is sometimes called the 7.62x54Rmm. In addition, S3 lists it as 7.62x53Rmm, so I simply left the length unchanged. You're right about me forgetting the "R" however.

 

DP-27.

Jane's Guns Recognition Guide states that it was adopted in 1928 "after two years of trials".

 

AFAIK incorrect. Really this is a 7.65x17. "Nationality" of this weapon (Sauer 38X) is german (or swiss), and american name convention (.32 ACP, BTW really - .30 ACP) is not applicable for it.

"Designed by John Browning for his first successful automatic pistol, this cartridge was first manufactured by FN in Belgium, and introduced in 1899. It was marketed in the U.S. when Colt turned out a pocket automatic on another Browning patent in 1903. The 32 Automatic is one of the more popular pistol cartridges ever developed... In Europe, every company that made automatic pistols chambered the 32 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol).... In Europe, it is known as the 7.65mm Browning, while in the U.S. it is designated as the 32 Auto or 32 ACP."

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It just seems a shame that many people are doing the same thing (more or less) as I, which is pretty darn inefficient... I just wonder if there's a way to collaborate on projects... or if anyone would even be interested?

 

Seems a waste to constantly re-invent the wheel.

Hi guys,

this is exactly what I am trying to do. It is why I am sharing my research's results on this Forum.

I am may be to much in quest of actual infos about weapons' name, but in my mind, it is like a car race game with a Porsche 956 named 917, or a chevy named Toyota... And a V8 is not a straigtht 8...

So Misters Cookie and Q-stone , and other as well, be welcome to open a new topic to share works. I will be one of yours! :(

Already cookie had correct some of my errors, things like this help ! Man cannot be Perfect, and several eyes are better than just a pair.

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Cartridges of the World (8th Edition) lists it as the 7.62x53Rmm Russian and states that it is sometimes called the 7.62x54Rmm.

7.62x53R - hunting variant of it.

Jane's Guns Recognition Guide states that it was adopted in 1928 "after two years of trials".

DP was adopted as an standard LMG of Red Army in 02.1927. Trust me :( Don't trust Jane ;)

[edit]See manufacturer page, for example - https://www.zid.ru

Detail information on russian version only - https://www.zid.ru/ru/about.html sorry.[/edit]

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Thank you NOVIK for this info, I updated my actual name zip doc. accordingly (DP 27)

May be you could have some infos about russian grenades I did not find, thank you a lot in advance NOVIK if you could help (read actual weapons names for S2/S3/H&S topic)

 

nice to read you Q-stone

 

 

Err, yeah, I can't read Russian though.

I can't even more read russian, but it is written in english in most of the Sites, I did not notice the mystake about the DP number!

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