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HMS Invincible is being decomissioned


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This is something that really annoys me. The three Royal Navy aircraft carriers are too small for their post Cold War role, which is why were are going to replace them with two larger aircraft carriers in 2012. The original plan was to refit the old aircraft carriers and keep them going until the new carriers were ready.

 

However, Our Glorious Leader doesn't want to raise taxes to fund the unpopular war in Iraq. So he has decided to mothball HMS Invincible now in order to save money.Story. And with HMS Ark Royal currently being refitted, that leaves HMS Illustrious having to provide fighter support for the fleet on its own.

 

A couple of weeks ago, Our Glorious Leader scapped three Type 42 destroyers early. I know they were obselete and their air defence system proved itself to be hopelessly inadequate in the Falklands War, but he was originally supposed to wait until the Daring class of destroyers had been manufactured.

 

The thing that is REALLY stupid about these defence cuts is that he keeps committing British forces to wars such as Sierra Leone, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq.

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The man's a damn fool. Every time we join a new conflict he downsizes our forces. Eventually he's going to get us involved in something we can't win. Aircraft carriers in particular are the best way, short of an actual land base, to project power and carry out operations abroad.
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Captain Neil Morisetti, Invincible's commanding officer, said: "These events provide an excellent opportunity for HMS Invincible to celebrate not only her 25 years of service but also the hard work and dedication shown by members of the ship's company past and present, and the continued support given by their families throughout her long and distinguished career."

 

Isn't he the guy from men behaving badly, who then shagged amanda holden?

 

You're right though full auto, everytime our armed forces are assigned another 'peacekeeping' role, they're being stretched even thinner.

 

We wont get involved in a war we wont win. . .the British economy will collapse cause the entire TA will be on duty at once and accountants offices all over the country will have to close due to a shortage of staff!

 

No offence meant to our illustrious post-starter!

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None taken. Britain would have to be in a pretty bad way before Tony Blair would put a rifle in my hands and pack me off to fight whatever country he upsets next :)

 

Anyway, accountants are more into paintballing than using proper firearms. And I can't see a paintball gun making much of a dent in a French tank.

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French tanks? I didn't know they kept tanks... unless they are for carrying flags

 

sorry if that insulted anyone, but i had to say that

As for the war and the decommissioning of the carrier, why not just stop getting involved in conflicts. As badly as it looks, the Iraq "War" is over, there are just terrorists still blowing themselves up. But we are doing at least relatively well, Britain can pull out and deal with other problematic areas better, and then pull the carrier back into commission, that would work much better in Britains favor

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As for the war and the decommissioning of the carrier, why not just stop getting involved in conflicts.

 

Never happen. Unlike some countries, we actually believe in the UN and we're always off peacekeeping somewhere or other. Not to mention our commonwealth and colonial history dropping us in it up to our necks. We make more and more commitments, yet Blair's reducing our forces ahead of schedule. What about the EU rapid reaction force? We've got a hand in that, and it's a damn good idea, as well. But if Blair keeps this up we're not going to have much left to contribute.

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Budget cuts and arguments over the design have already caused the completion date to be moved back a couple of years. I'm betting this is going to be like the Wembly Stadium farce :)

 

I suspect that 'working with France' means that we will end up renting their aircraft carrier whenever we want to bomb someone and it will cost us more than if we had kept HMS Invincible going until 2012.

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And I can't see a paintball gun making much of a dent in a French tank.

 

. . . . . . . :)

 

I will say no more!

 

French tanks? I didn't know they kept tanks... unless they are for carrying flags

 

sorry if that insulted anyone, but i had to say that

 

Nope, I've set a precedent in previous threads, it seems to be pretty much open season on the french here! Fire away!

 

On another point, most upset that the navy will be switching to using the lockheed martin F35 JSF, after our success with the Harrier I'd like to see britain looking after itself on the aircraft front.

 

On the other hand, it does mean I get to pretend I'm in the RNAS next time I play Energy Airforce. Thank god there is a realistic flight sim on the PS2!

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I suspect that 'working with France' means that we will end up renting their aircraft carrier whenever we want to bomb someone and it will cost us more than if we had kept HMS Invincible going until 2012.

 

Actualy I think the idea was that rather than designing 2 different carriers (one for each country) there would be one single design developed jointly by both countrys (sharing development costs).

 

On another point, most upset that the navy will be switching to using the lockheed martin F35 JSF, after our success with the Harrier I'd like to see britain looking after itself on the aircraft front.

 

I think that's to save costs. Why spend lots of money developing your own aircraft when you can get the US to pay for you? :)

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Actualy I think the idea was that rather than designing 2 different carriers (one for each country) there would be one single design developed jointly by both countrys (sharing development costs).

You mean like with the Eurofighter? I know we used that method to create a new class of destroyer along with France and Italy. Britain withdrew from the Horizon Destroyer project in 1999 and designed its own destroyer. France and Italy are carrying on without us.

 

I didn't know we had attempted this with aircraft carriers as well.

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Hopefully the UK will by 2020 will have two new carriers, the Queen Elizabeth and the Prince of Wales, out fitted with the F35 JSF they will, hopefully modernise our fleet. (The yanks are getting a new Nimitz class carrier named; George Bush.)

 

Also related to the topic, the UK now only has 3 frontline fighter squadrons. 11 Squadron has been disbanded, in preparation for the Eurofighter.

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Also related to the topic, the UK now only has 3 frontline fighter squadrons. 11 Squadron has been disbanded, in preparation for the Eurofighter.

 

I suppose you all know it but the Eurofighter can't actually fly. It flies just about as well as a slug carrying a large suitcase, if it wasn't for the onboard computer correcting the flying surfaces it would drop faster than the Argentine economy. Now it might be me but I wouldn't want to be sat up there knowing that all it takes to make you hit the ground is someone with the inclination to create an EMP device.

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Now it might be me but I wouldn't want to be sat up there knowing that all it takes to make you hit the ground is someone with the inclination to create an EMP device.

 

... and that's why all military electronic hardware is shielded against EMP devices.

 

It's not just the Eurofighter that needs a computer to fly either, most modern combat aircraft need computers because they are all designed to be unstable in normal flight, which makes them more agile and manuverable.

 

The B2 stealth bomber, which is designed to drop nukes (the primary source of an EMP) needs a computer to fly.

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