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#261 Zombie

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 12:41 AM

So I worked on those 4x4 posts today. Took a little bit of time to lay out the measurements and do the cutting (used a circular saw and camp saw to finish the cuts through the post). I used a small drill bit to make a pilot hole then bored out a 1" hole with a spade bit to approximate a round bottom, then used the circular saw to chop out most of the wood and finished it off with the camp saw. (Looking back, I probably should have purchased a hole saw attachment for the drill as that would have made it go so much faster but I just didn't want to go to the hardware store). Once one post was done, I was able to knock out the other post fast.

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I used that cutoff piece from the ridge pole as a template to get the size correct - glad I kept it. Thought I had a whole roll of that galvanized metal strapping but only found two short pieces. No worries though, they are just long enough! To give me a little extra length, I cut some pieces out of the post and then rasped them.

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The toughest part was figuring out what length I needed the posts to be. I borrowed my dad's plumb bob to get a ballpark estimate, then added about 1/2" (1.25cm) for a snug fit. Turns out I could have used more, so for the second post I added a full inch extra (2.54cm) and that seemed to do the trick.

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I made the posts completely plumb and level on both sides then screwed the piece of galvanized strapping down tight. Had to cut a little bit of wood off on the outside of the posts to match the curve of the hoop, and I also rasped the outside so there were no sharp corners. Turned out good: both posts and the North part of the hoop are now in a straight line. I was curious to see how the doors would fit in the new opening so I took some measurements and I think I'm a little wide by about an inch. That's fine, I can make that up somehow.

On the left side of the pic leaning against the wall of the small garage is some of the old wood strapping used on the greenhouse - which I bleached off today. Looks brand new! Tomorrow I'll try to get the doors installed and depending on time I'll try to flesh out the rest of the side. I'm hoping I can get that done by Monday or so. The only things left are to put more fiberfill on the joints of the North side of the greenhouse, take a count of the wooden straps to see which sizes are short and sweep or wet wash the ground on the exterior of the North side. My plan is to get all the little projects finished before the end of the week, then hope and pray I get a decent day to install the new top. Posted Image

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 07:35 PM

So, this probably loosely fits into that "fabrimacobble" business you spoke of earlier, Zombie? Posted Image

The problem with carving out specific features in wood usually rests more towards the risk of excesses in the cutting, which can outright ruin a perfectly good beam for a given purpose forcing one to spend another and start over, doubling the expense in time and money.

Be it as it may, your carpentry skills definitely held up and the wood ended up fitting snugly enough as intended, given what's shown. Obstacle surpassed!

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 03:39 AM

View PostThorondor, on 03 April 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

So, this probably loosely fits into that "fabrimacobble" business you spoke of earlier, Zombie? Posted Image

Sorta, kinda. Posted Image

View PostThorondor, on 03 April 2020 - 07:35 PM, said:

The problem with carving out specific features in wood usually rests more towards the risk of excesses in the cutting, which can outright ruin a perfectly good beam for a given purpose forcing one to spend another and start over, doubling the expense in time and money.

Yeah, I got lucky in that respect. I needed a post just over 11 feet long and dimensional lumber is only sold in even lengths so I had to get a 12 footer. First time I made a mistake by cutting the opening too wide so I had to chop that bit off and start over. Lost just over 2 inches on that but I had plenty of extra wood to try a few more times. Posted Image

Since I had the West doors of the greenhouse off I figured I might as well fix up the hinges since they were pretty rusty. As usual, wire brushed them to get rid of the loose stuff, one coat of rust reformer paint, a coat of primer and 2+ coats of black paint. Wire brushed the pins and bottom cap too (they look a little bit rusty in the photo, but I sanded and brushed them again before reassembly).

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Someone asked me why I just didn't buy new hinges, well, I didn't want to go to the hardware store unless it was absolutely necessary. I'm not risking anything, at least right now. I did find out that you can still buy them yet, but the new hinges come with the usual electroplated brass or other finishes. And we can all see just how that electroplated finish holds up in a greenhouse environment - it still rusts. Paint should do a better job preventing rust. Posted Image

And hey, those doors were still off and I noticed that the fiberglass panels had a thin coating of black mold on it. Used a 50% solution of bleach plus a dash of commercial bucket soap which stripped all the nastiness off. Still had some left so I did the other set of doors too.

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Time to attach those newly painted hinges to the door. First things first, I cut some of those old pieces of wood from the sides of the greenhouse to use as the frame. Sure, I could have used the new wood, but these pieces were not too bad and the color sorta matched the color of the wood on the doors.

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Bosses son was there for a little bit and helped me with sanding the doors to make the wood smooth and also helped with repairing a couple corners which were loose. Put new screws into solid wood and reattached a (now painted) bracket with a couple heavier screws to stiffen things up.

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That's about as far as I got because it started to rain. And of course, the last few days were more of the same: ok for a little while in the morning, then rain in the afternoon on and off. So you could never really start a project because the rain would interrupt any progress. In between the raindrops I did a dry (ahem) fit of the door to the 4x4 posts just to see if there were any modifications necessary. The posts are a little bit wider than the frame of the door but I think I can adjust the posts so they are closer to the middle. I only need about an inch on each side. The only issue is that the posts are designed to fit in this particular location - closer to the middle means the posts would need to be a little longer to make a snug fit to the hoop. If anything, I know there are plates you can buy to stick underneath so that the posts do not contact the ground and that might give me the extra height to make it snug.

Today I was doing a little more with the doors. Did another dry fit with them laying on the tables in the greenhouse to see how close the top part of the frame would fit. I must've cut the length of the sides a little bit long so there was extra material at the top and bottom. I need that space at the bottom because the ground isn't exactly level, but for the top I can have that pretty tight. Out came the saw and I chopped off the excess. One thing led to another and I decided to take off the latches from the door and frame and painted those. And I replaced nearly all the screws in the corners as most were rusting. Also took off the peg that goes into the ground and all the associated hardware and wire brushed and painted them. Should be able to reinstall those tomorrow. Hoping to get to installing the doors this weekend, but it's also Easter and for the first time since the Coronavirus outbreak we have decent business so might not be able spend oodles of time on greenhouse stuff. We shall see. Posted Image

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 05:43 AM

Kinda weird, but I hope you won't have the time to work on the greenhouse (and be swamped with primary work). Do stay safe and healthy though.

As for the work done... I would never, absolutely never go about saving the hinges. I'm far too lazy for that. New ones will rust? Maybe so, but it'll take years before becoming a problem... :D

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Posted 09 April 2020 - 08:36 PM

Momentary success also often hinges *cough* on making the best of what you've got whenever the need arises. High marks for having done just that, Zombie! :)

The recovered hardware seems to be perfectly serviceable for the intended function after the makeover, so you're in the black through and through on this one.

As it happens, that last pic did bring back something to mind from one of your previous posts - I look forward to seeing how much you'll manage to consistently employ phillips screws throughout the build.

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Posted 11 April 2020 - 03:59 AM

View PostSpace Voyager, on 09 April 2020 - 05:43 AM, said:

Kinda weird, but I hope you won't have the time to work on the greenhouse (and be swamped with primary work). Do stay safe and healthy though.

Meh, I do the greenhouse stuff when I don't have anything else to do or there is a significant break in the action. So there's quite a bit of leeway when I work on it too, we have till May to get it mostly complete and I think I'm still on schedule. No work on it the last couple days though, on Thursday it snowed and it was very windy (snow melted right away), and today I was far too busy delivering and cleaning up to get a chance to work on it. I was eyeing it during the day, but it wasn't in the cards. Posted Image

I've been wearing a mask when I deliver just to prevent the spread of the virus. I don't wear a mask at the store as I'm usually working in the back far away from the other employees and customers. And I'm pretty good about not touching my face, mouth, eyes or nose without washing my hands. Not to mention I bleach buckets almost every day so I hazard to guess I have the cleanest hands in the city anyway. The only drawback to that is I always smell like I'm hauling an olympic sized swimming pool around with me wherever I go. Posted Image

View PostSpace Voyager, on 09 April 2020 - 05:43 AM, said:

As for the work done... I would never, absolutely never go about saving the hinges. I'm far too lazy for that. New ones will rust? Maybe so, but it'll take years before becoming a problem... Posted Image

As I said, the major reason I opted to paint the hinges was because I didn't want to go to the hardware store, like unless it was absolutely necessary. Yeah, it's right down the block, but I'm trying to minimize my exposure to the virus as much as possible. New hinges would probably rust within a year or two, especially with the high humidity conditions inside the greenhouse. I'd be very surprised if the painted hinges show anything in 5-10. The main issue is to remember to oil/lubricate the hinges from now on as that will prevent the worst of it. Posted Image

View PostThorondor, on 09 April 2020 - 08:36 PM, said:

As it happens, that last pic did bring back something to mind from one of your previous posts - I look forward to seeing how much you'll manage to consistently employ phillips screws throughout the build.

Most (if not all) connection points have been converted to phillips head screws. I doubt there are many flat bladed screws in the greenhouse. There are still "legacy" points where I'm using bolts/machine bolts if only because I have the hardware and they seem to offer more stability to the structure. And I'm not worried about the occasional bolt here and there, at least they are hex heads and are easy to remove with a multitude of wrenches, pliers or sockets. I'm trying to limit the variety of hardware so it'll be easier on me (or the next guy) who has to do maintenance on it in the future. I'm also trying (and sometimes failing) to use only #2 phillips screws. Sometimes you have to use a bigger screw because the previous screw stripped out or isn't holding anymore. Posted Image

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 17 April 2020 - 01:37 AM

So "what's up with the greenhouse?" you may be asking. Unfortunately the weather hasn't been behaving much. There were about three days where we actually had measurable snowfall (melted fast though). For the last week it never really got above 5C or so and the sun was scarce. Need I mention that the wind was unbelievable too? Last Saturday I thought I'd have time to work on the greenhouse in the afternoon, but it got busy and I was called away to deliver. The only thing I was able to do was to install the newly painted hardware on the West doors. It was something at least.

This week was kinda crappy most days as well. I did bleach off some of the vertical boards along the sides and also tried bleaching the skirt board along the North side (the side that faces the small garage). That didn't do too much so I think I need to up the concentration and maybe add some deck cleaner. Bleached off a few more of the old wood strips that held on the plastic so I wouldn't have to cut anything to size.

Today I made a count of how many wood strips of each size I need and I think I'm pretty close to having enough. In between projects (and the snow!) I put the screws in about half the wood strips so far - that way when I start securing the new plastic down it'll be cake because I will not be fooling around with screws in one hand, a drill in the other and trying to balance the wood strip against the side while also putting tension on the plastic to make sure it's taut (sometimes I wish I had 4 hands). It looks like it might be nice tomorrow so my plan is to work on installing the doors. Fingers crossed of course! :)

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 20 April 2020 - 11:35 PM

Today I tried to get a start installing the doors on the west side of the greenhouse. The wind was again super-duper strong (and it's been like that for the last 4-5 days without a break). I pre-drilled holes in the frame of the right door (looking at it from the outside) and drove some long screws into them so they were just barely coming out the back side. When the door was sorta where I wanted it, I attached two of the screws into the post. Easier said than done as the post jumped off the spot on the pavement when I put pressure on the drill. Oops. No big deal though, I moved it back into position. But something still needed to be done to keep the post semi-secure during installation otherwise I'd be constantly adjusting things.

My initial thought was to use some rubber inside the section at the top of the posts which I cut out. Couldn't find any strips at the store though, and maybe rubber wasn't the best idea as it might start to break down and get brittle over time. Hmmm. Then I remembered I had some pieces of membrane roofing which we still have to patch the roof in the back garage in case it ever leaks. Cut a small strip of that out with a utility knife and folded it up to fit between the post and the hoop. Just for giggles, I also cut another small strip out and stuck that between the hoop and the strapping.

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That seems to have secured the posts a little more to the hoop, and it's a bit tighter on the ground as well. Hopefully the wind will die down in the next week as I'm aiming to get the doors situated and the rest of the fiberfill added to any joints.Then it'll be a waiting game till there's a less windy day. ;)

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 22 April 2020 - 08:32 AM

Even if the stakes are high, Zombie won't leave you hanging in the wind!

Thank you. I'll be here all week! *ducks incoming vegetables* :D

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Posted 22 April 2020 - 10:34 AM

View PostThorondor, on 22 April 2020 - 08:32 AM, said:

Even if the stakes are high, Zombie won't leave you hanging in the wind!

He he he, meant very literally! :D

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Posted 24 April 2020 - 04:29 AM

So I got a little bit of time to work on installing the doors on Tuesday:

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Windy again, so I had to put the concrete blocks against the doors so they wouldn't be flopping in the breeze. Not much to say about the process except I pre-drilled the holes for the screws in the sides of the frame and borrowed a pipe clamp to keep the 2x4 frame tight against the 4x4 post as I was driving the screws in. I also temporarily screwed a furring strip between the doors to act as a spacer until everything is dialed in.

Yesterday I started work on the top of the frame. I attached the newly painted silver metal stop to a slightly used 2x4. Totally forgot that the holes in the metal were not centered, they are actually closer to one end to make the stop hang down to contact the doors. Had to remove a couple screws and turn the strip around and reattach. Then it was perfect. Thought I could sneak the metal stop behind the 2x4 side frame boards but it was a bit too tight. Got called away for other things and it started to rain so that concluded my progress.

Today I cut a groove in the 2x4 frame to accept the metal stop. Did a dry fit and seemed to be good so I attached it. I was going to start fooling around with attaching the board above the frame and the board that goes between that and the next post in the center of the greenhouse but decided to work on getting the North part of the side secured instead - just to make sure the dimensions don't change on me.

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Got the upper 2x4 board attached with no problems as I didn't have to cut it to fit - the length was still perfect! The bottom 2x6 board is new so I had to cut that to fit. Attached that to the far left with a bolt and with 2 screws by the door. The way this is set up, this board doesn't actually touch the ground, it is above the ground by a few inches and then a 1x6 skirt board is attached to that to make a tight fit to the ground. At the end of the frame by the door there is a space underneath the 2x6 so I think I'm going to cut a piece of 2x4 to fill that gap (it used to be open like it is now). Obviously didn't attach the skirt board yet, I just put it on the ground to show what it's going to look like.

Tomorrow it's supposed to rain again but not all day so maybe I'll be able to work on finishing off the North part and then move over to the South. Wind shouldn't be so strong either. Coming together now! :)

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Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 29 April 2020 - 04:14 AM

This past Friday was pretty nice outside and not much going on inside so might as well work on the greenhouse. The area to the north of the doors was basically finished already, so all I needed to do was copy that setup on the south side. Took a lot of measuring and cutting with the circular saw and then pre-drilling the holes for the screws and countersinking the heads to make sure they do not rip the plastic. I reused some of the old lumber too - I don't think it detracts from the look, and besides, it's just going to be covered over with plastic anyway, right? At least the structural elements have new wood. Here's a couple pics from the outside and inside:

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The only snag I ran into was the top frame board for the doors and the board above that. Because everything is still so far out of level (well, mostly plumb) I had to be a little creative in putting things back together. Didn't quite get it all done but for a half day of work I got a lot accomplished. You might notice from the pics that the red table tops look dirty again. Cleaned those up yesterday. Speaking of yesterday, I couldn't work on the greenhouse much as it rained all morning long and the sun didn't poke it's head out till 5pm. No big deal, I needed to get the screws in some of the furring strips yet so I worked on that. Also took a count of how many of each size were necessary (I might need a couple more of the 7 foot length for above the doors). Here's a pic of them sorted out and standing proud in the back garage:

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Left to right: 2 groups of 8 foot lengths (24 total), a group of 7 foot lengths (10 total), 2 strips a couple inches shy of 7 feet and 18 4 foot lengths for the sides. If you are wondering what those 2 big stacks of cardboard boxes to the right of everything is for, well, we need boxes for putting arrangements in for people to transport them home and also use them during the planting season when people buy packs or pots of annuals and perennials. These particular boxes used to be fresh flower boxes (this size is technically called an eighth box - two of those are equivalent to a quarter box and four quarters make a full box). I save this size until I have a bunch of them, then cut them in half and refold them into the appropriate size and restaple the ends. Suppose some time I can take some pics of how I do that so you can impress someone. ;)

Today it was foggy and moist all morning long but no rain so I was able to work on the greenhouse again for a little bit at least. As for what was on the agenda, the doors needed to be looked at. Even though I had them somewhat squared up, they didn't open up decently (due to the uneven ground and messed up hoop). Ended up taking off the left door (when looking at it from the inside) and raising that up a few inches to account for clearance. But now the left door was higher than the right, how can I make them equal? Cut a piece of lumber to put above the door to act as a spacer. After that, I installed the frame above the door. The next issue was that I took the latch off the right door during deconstruction, but now the dimensions were different due to moving the left door up. Had to re fabricate the latch and now it's much sturdier than before. I also attached another board on top of the one above the top frame of the door.

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Yes, I know there is a big gap underneath the left door. Can't do anything about that due to the uneven ground preventing the door from opening up cleanly. I might add a "fabrimacobbled" sweep to the bottom though - have to think on that overnight. The only things left to do now is to reattach the board from the post inside the center of the greenhouse to the two boards above the top of the door frame. Got a plan for that so it should go up quickly. Of course I still need to put fiberfill batting around around some of the joints of the roof to prevent the plastic from wearing through (shouldn't take too long either). I might take a couple sheets of used lexan polycarbonate from the smaller garage door and use those for the bottom part of the fiberglass panels of the doors too beef that up temporarily. Other than that, it's good to go.

ETA for completion? I'm shooting for installing the new plastic on Saturday instead of Sunday now. I'll be cutting flowers on Sunday for Mother's Day so that day is probably out. Saturday looks like it's going to be fairly nice and not too windy which would be darn near perfect conditions. Even if I can only get the top secured one day, I can probably do the sides the next day assuming the wind doesn't get to strong. Fingers crossed of course. :)

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 29 April 2020 - 03:55 PM

You find it bent, in comes Zombie and right it went! ;)

As compensating goes you've taken quite a few steps to get things moslty flush. It's always "fun" though to discover, as one does, that what we've made to rectify one thing makes several other things go out of whack, keeping us tasked with righting more than what was wrong to start with... :P

Still, a mighty wrangler of cardboard boxes will inevitably make short work of such trivialities. :D

Joking aside you look like you've got things lined up both inside the back garage and, increasingly, outside, so let's see if you get to top it all off in the weekend!

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Posted 02 May 2020 - 04:10 AM

It rained all day Wednesday and most of the day on Thursday as well. It only really let up after 3pm. No work on the greenhouse obviously, but I had other things going on like cutting flowers for upcoming Mother's Day. We are getting in 50% of our normal order due to the coronavirus but that's quite a lot once you start processing them. Here's a view of the backroom in the aftermath:

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First pic was mostly all lilies (oriental and asiatic in the usual colors - pink, white, yellow and orange). There are some gerbera daisies in pails to the right of the lilies. Second pic is pom pons (daisies - front and center), carnations (to the left), mini carnations (to the right and in back of everything). Directly below the workbench is some solidago (goldenrod) and behind that is purple and white asters (called monte casino asters). There was other stuff I cut which is not in the pic because I already moved them into the front cooler. Posted Image

Today it was fairly nice. Sunny in the morning and afternoon then got cloudy and cool at the end of the day. This gave me a chance to polish off the West side of the greenhouse. I started with attaching the board with the hooks on it to the boards above the door and the post in the center of the greenhouse. It's not perfectly level (nearly so though) but I wasn't going to tear it all apart again to fix that. Posted Image After that I reattached the latches above the doors (we use these as a security blanket of sorts - it helps keep the doors closed especially in the wind and prevents someone from getting inside... the right door that faces the driveway in the back is always unlocked though). And I decided to add a couple boards on either side of the west doors to make it identical to the east side. I think those will stiffen the sides up a bit and also provide another attachment point on the shorter west side.

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I also messed around with the center posts in the greenhouse. For some reason the metal strapping holding the tube down to the post was very loose. Not sure if this happened over time due to wind stress and snow or if it was just neglect by the guys who tried to fix it in 2000. Either way, since there was no top to make things difficult I loosened up the strapping on one end, pounded it flat against the post with a hammer, then tightened up the strap by pounding a scribe into one of the holes and driving a screw in underneath it. Once I had one screw in, I added another one above the first.

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Not perfectly tight by any means, but at least the ridge pole isn't wandering around loose anymore. That couldn't have been good. I finished off with adjusting the fiberfill (or adding more) on the roof joints to make sure there wasn't any poky bits which could rub against the new plastic). A little bit of cleanup later and the repairs to the greenhouse are done.

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Wish I had another month to work on it, but I'm plumb out of time. I'm pretty confident that I addressed most of the structural issues and problem areas though and that should help to make the plastic last longer. Anything left to do would be on the inside which I can do later. Tomorrow is the big day (weather permitting) - installation of the new top! Gotta remember to bring the camera along to take some pics during the process. Pretty straightforward except for the short sides (East and West) which is a little tricky). Posted Image

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A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
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Posted 02 May 2020 - 04:02 PM

To your 50% Zombie will go 100% and deliver! :)

I can only imagine how much bigger the splash of colour from all the flowers would be in a regular year. There's certainly enough variety as it is.

All that prep work you've put into the greenhouse seems solid. That being the case the time for the big payoff is very nearly upon you. Make sure you've got it all right, skip nothing and make it count!

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Posted 03 May 2020 - 01:49 AM

Today turned out to be a wash. I was at work plenty early (7:00 am) to deliver some flowers anyway and when I got back I scoped out the weather situation. Fairly windy, but nothing to cancel the installation over. Got everything ready to go: furring strips outside, drill hooked up to extension cord, roll of new plastic pulled out of it's resting place since 2013 etc. Just had to wait for the bosses son to show up to give me a hand. They finally arrived at 9:45 am and right around that time the wind started to pick up in intensity. If it was just the occasional gust, I could handle that but not sustained. It just kept getting stronger as time went on so I had to cancel. Looks like more of the same tomorrow with strong winds in the late AM so I canceled a possible Sunday installation too. Monday's forecast isn't too bad, no rain and mild winds so I have penciled in Monday morning at 7:30 am as the start time. Posted Image

Lat Edit: cancelled Monday due to strong winds again. Tuesday looks like it may be better, but Wednesday might be the best day in terms of wind. We shall see. :)

Since the bosses son was around we worked together putting away all those flowers I cut on Thursday. Nearing the end of the day we decided to try to fix up the doors of the greenhouse a little. If you recall, some of the fiberglass panels affixed to the doors were broken and bashed out at the base from years of abuse. So we took 2 of the old lexan polycarbonate "glass" panels from the small garage door and attached those to the base of 2 of the greenhouse doors.

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Yeah, they are yellow from baking in the sun for many years, but they are still strong and have plenty of life left in them. Waste not, want not! Posted Image

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A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!

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Posted 05 May 2020 - 06:08 AM

Looks like a very good build, Z! I hope you get it covered before it is washed by the rain.

What is the material you use at the joints? Mineral wool of some kind? Or cotton? Also, why is it there? Is it better to leave things a bit "floaty" instead of going for a completely rigid construction to take less damage in the winds?

Oh, and beautiful flowers, really lovely. Finally some green among those pics of steel and polyurethane. ;)

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Posted 06 May 2020 - 01:59 AM

View PostSpace Voyager, on 05 May 2020 - 06:08 AM, said:

What is the material you use at the joints? Mineral wool of some kind? Or cotton? Also, why is it there?

It's like cotton in appearance, but I think it is made of polyester. If you've ever looked inside a stuffed animal, it's the same stuff. As for why I use it... well, anywhere there is a joint there is going to be a metal connection piece which is raised above the surface of the tube and that will create stress from rubbing due to wind or snow. The fiberfill will ease that sharp edge. Here, I'll just repost a pic of the ridge pole and end hoop connection point.

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View PostSpace Voyager, on 05 May 2020 - 06:08 AM, said:

Is it better to leave things a bit "floaty" instead of going for a completely rigid construction to take less damage in the winds?

Do you mean loose vs taut? It's far better to get the plastic tight - as tight as possible. This is for three reasons:
  • Over time the plastic will stretch. Not by a ton, but it will be noticeable. The tighter you get it during installation, the less you'll have to mess with it later on.
  • Tight plastic will shed snow quicker. If the plastic is loose, it will create a trough between the hoops which will trap the snow and allow it to build up.
  • Wind. Imagine a tight piece of plastic in strong wind. It might travel a few mm flapping in the breeze. Now imagine a piece of loose plastic in the same wind. Depending how loose the plastic is, it might travel a few cm. All that extra movement is going to put a strain on the plastic around the screws in the furring strips. That's going to cause the plastic to tear or pull a little at each screw hole which will cause the plastic to become looser.
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Posted 06 May 2020 - 01:21 PM

Ah, makes perfect sense, thanks! I didn't see the metal joints...

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Posted 07 May 2020 - 04:57 AM

So today was the day to put up the new plastic on the greenhouse. Got a very early start (6:30am) because the wind tends to be quiet in the morning. Started by rolling out the plastic on the (empty) parking lot then pulled it till it was along the South side (the side that faces the store, not the small garage). Then I cut three pieces of sisal binder twine and tied them to either side of the plastic and one in the middle. Boss was supposed to be there at 7:30 with his son, but he conveniently overslept & didn't let me know. So it was just me for the time being. Was kinda getting worried about the wind picking up so I just forged ahead by myself.

Getting the plastic started is always the hardest part - especially if you are the only person working on it. Started pulling the twine (and plastic) to the North on the driveway side first. As I got it up above the wall of the greenhouse I tied off the twine and moved to the middle twine. Did the same thing there, then went to the parking lot side and, yeah, the same. Here's a pic of the South side with the plastic just over the top of the wall.

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Looks like kinda a mess because there is so much plastic that needs to go up yet, and you have to unfurl it so you aren't trying to pull the whole thing over the top. Took a pic on the North side showing one of the pieces of twine tied off.

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So I continued on, pulling the plastic up a little bit, tying off the twine so the plastic doesn't slip down, then moving to the next twine and tying that off when I got it to the same height. Took a while to inch along like this, but at least the wind wasn't blowing too hard. When I got it mostly over, I then had to adjust how much plastic was on the East and West sides. At this time the wind started to pick up a little bit so I had to get out some concrete blocks and put them on the plastic to keep the stuff flying away.

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Time between the first two pics and the third was about 20 minutes. Had to do a little more adjusting though and once that was done it seemed pretty close to being equal along the East and West sides. Took a pic from the inside just showing the thing where I wanted it.

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Boss and his son finally stroll in after this so I got the help I needed to attach the furring strips. Took a little while to get my buddy up to speed, what was done, what needed to be done and his part etc. The most important thing to do is get one of the shorter sides somewhat attached so you can go over to the other side and pull the plastic tight and attach that side. In this case we started on the East side, got it somewhat attached then moved to the West side and got that fleshed out.

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Time was about 10:15 am and I figured I was on schedule. We set about getting the East side to the same level of completion. Had to take a break because a truck came in with fresh flowers and some hanging baskets. Then we started to attach the wood strips on the top part of the North side. Got that done just after 12:00pm, ate lunch then attached the strips on the top part of the South side.

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Time was about 12:20pm. Running behind but that always happens after lunch. For the next part I didn't have time for pics so I'll explain what was done.

Another truck came in with fresh flowers. Cut those and put them away. Then back at it on the greenhouse. Put the strips on the lower part of the North side, then attached the vertical strips. Ditto on the South side. After the long sides were fastened down we worked on the West side. When we got to the east side another truck came in with outdoor planters and some hanging baskets. Had to unload those, then barely settled back and yet another truck came in with fresh flowers. By this time it was already past 5:30pm so it was dinner. I was beat, but that little break helped. We finally got the East side finished, then cut off the excess plastic along the long sides and hauled all the planters and hanging baskets into the greenhouse plus set up the boards in there.

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Time was 6:43 pm. Took another couple hours to cut the flowers that came in and put those away and garbage duty + cleanup took another hour. All told, I had nearly a 15 hour day. What hurt was all those breaks where we had to unload the never ending line of trucks dropping stuff off, plus the nearly 2 hour delay waiting for help to arrive in the morning. Normally I'd have the greenhouse complete by about 3 PM assuming I wouldn't have any interruptions except for lunch.

Anyway, I'll try and get some more pics of the outside of the greenhouse tomorrow. There's a little more to be done above the doors on the West side and to fix up the broken table along the North side but otherwise it's all complete now. Posted Image

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JellyfishGreen said:

Zombie: Empirical data's your only man, when formulating a research plan.
A soldier's death is never in vain if it makes the formula more plain.
A few dozen make a better case for refining that third decimal place.
They call me Zombie because I don't sleep, as I slowly struggle to climb this heap,
of corpses, data points, and trials, but from the top - I'll see for miles!




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