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#101 silencer_pl

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 11:01 AM

I figured that too, to sell only some then rest. I've also found a bug when you have to many agents 25 or so and 30 civilians, then when you fire a civilian suddenly one (last from the list) soldier gets fired too, because he is not on the agents list.
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Posted 15 December 2015 - 10:26 PM

I think it's time I start parking my hoverbikes at the school & flyer factories.



 NKF, on 15 December 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

Mind those grenades - you're blowing up perfectly good collectibles, including any psiclones that may be on the ground.

One other possible reason you didn't get any Psiclones during the attack is that the guards may have run off with them. They will randomly pick up any loose items left on the ground, and then later run off the map the longer the battle went. For raids, it's not a bad idea to secure the exits. For serious raiding, get to know the item spawn locations and rush to them as quickly as possible. In Cultist temples, you'll often find items on altars or on the floor in corners by the doors such as where your team was fighting in this battle. Use the overhead map to help spot items as you're moving through the rooms.
Ah, I didn't realize they would get picked up.

 NKF, on 15 December 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

That school again. Considering the length of time that has passed, the gates should have moved around a bit. Then again, when I booted up my game, one of the first three alien drops sites was the very same school. Posted Image
You mean the X-Com school of fine arts?  ;)

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:57 PM

The end of the week can't come soon enough!



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Posted 17 December 2015 - 08:42 PM

You can always tell which soldiers are part of the Xcom, we're the ones stained red with our own blood...


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Posted 18 December 2015 - 11:05 AM

It's worth repeating: You can only use the medikit when you are standing firmly on the ground. Medikits simply do not work when you are flying.

I suggest setting everyone back to aggressive. Because your troops are being left in their default behaviour, they are making all these odd little evasive moves and getting in each others' way, or are not running when they absolutely need to be running fast.

Don't worry about getting a live Skeletoid - you have plenty of chances to catch them, and they aren't that essential until you're going for the high level toxins. The worms and their life cycle are the most important aliens you want to be reseraching at the moment.

You haven't really had a chance to give the mini launchers a proper go, so I wouldn't completely discount them just yet. Bring them with you on a UFO assault where there's plenty of outdoor space for the rockets to move. Also you never bought the power sword - that one you see is still for sale. Posted Image

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Posted 19 December 2015 - 06:43 PM

 NKF, on 18 December 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

It's worth repeating: You can only use the medikit when you are standing firmly on the ground. Medikits simply do not work when you are flying.
I Completely forgot about this, I remember you said it earlier... thank you for repeating ;)

 NKF, on 18 December 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

I suggest setting everyone back to aggressive. Because your troops are being left in their default behaviour, they are making all these odd little evasive moves and getting in each others' way, or are not running when they absolutely need to be running fast.
I think that's my issue, the bouncing around/ ignoring my orders is quite annoying.  I changed over to balanced because I was hoping it might help my survivability a bit more if they dodged the occasional shot, but I think in the end it's actually hurting me more.


 NKF, on 18 December 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

You haven't really had a chance to give the mini launchers a proper go, so I wouldn't completely discount them just yet. Bring them with you on a UFO assault where there's plenty of outdoor space for the rockets to move. Also you never bought the power sword - that one you see is still for sale. Posted Image
Since the Toxin type B is almost here are they worth hanging on to?  I remember how powerful the toxiguns are, but I draw a blank on the launchers.  (I've recorded up to Monday ep and I think I sold them ;) )

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Posted 19 December 2015 - 06:56 PM

Power Sword is tricky to use in Real Time. It has only range of 1-2 tiles and you must specify soldier to attack selected alien otherwise agent won't attack anything despite hug facing. I'm still wondering how NKF played with swords - maybe not in RT.
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Posted 20 December 2015 - 10:18 AM

Since it's almost the new week, you may want to think about buying a new base. You don't need to right away, but you will likely be wanting some room to build a large workshop soon. Your main base is rather jam packed at the moment. There are a couple of bases around the city that only cost around $20,000 and $32,000. They're not massive like your main base, but they're easy to defend and have plenty of room for a dual large Workshop set up.


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Since the Toxin type B is almost here are they worth hanging on to?  I remember how powerful the toxiguns are, but I draw a blank on the launchers.  (I've recorded up to Monday ep and I think I sold them Posted Image )

The Toxigun's powerful, but has its fair share of issues, which I think you'll encounter once you use them. The mini launchers will be good practice for the Dimension missile launcher. Towards the end of the game, if you manage to catch enough aliens, you'll be able to load anti-alien gas missiles into the mini-launcher for the last few missions, essentially turning it into an AOE toxigun.

Perhaps load up one of your older saves, buy two launchers, load up about 4-5 clips, and raid one of the gangs and give it a practice.

 silencer_pl, on 19 December 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

Power Sword is tricky to use in Real Time. It has only range of 1-2 tiles and you must specify soldier to attack selected alien otherwise agent won't attack anything despite hug facing. I'm still wondering how NKF played with swords - maybe not in RT.

Heh, I've never actually tried going all out with the swords in TB. The ability to dual wield them in RT makes them quite a force to be reckoned with.

I recall a lot of smoke bombs, berserk rushes and corner ambushes. Androids are fantastic candidates for swordsmen. When shields are available, you can be a bit more reckless and Wolverine your way to victory.

For normal everyday use, if you have it in your backpack, pull it out if an alien happens to get up too close to you and go full auto with it.

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 07:38 PM

This is the last from my bulk recording from last week, please forgive my medkit ignorance ;)



An interesting comment came up today, he mentioned attacking Transtellar for cash (it also will lower their bribe price), is this a good idea?  I've never thought of hitting them before.  They don't have psyclones of course but I might make a bit of cash from the gun sales.

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 10:18 PM

If you want to raid for psiclones - raid Psyke. You might also want to consider raiding Marsec for Mind Shield and boost soldiers psi defense to 200.
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Posted 23 December 2015 - 06:05 AM

Boomeroids are proximity mines, so that one would have triggered the moment it landed near your agent. I make it a habit to throw them back immediately to hopefully get a bit of distance. It usually never works that well, but it can't hurt to try. Posted Image Running won't work since they will hop after you.

I think Hesha may have died from a Popper. There was the sound of an explosion, then shortly afterwards lots of smoke around where Hesha was.

pmprog showed where the balanced mode works brilliantly, where he was standing by the doorway and strafing behind it. His partner on the other hand, the late great Mr. Frogley, couldn't see anything so wasn't joining in on the action at all when you were telling the two to focus on certain enemies.

 NeptunesNookGames, on 22 December 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

An interesting comment came up today, he mentioned attacking Transtellar for cash (it also will lower their bribe price), is this a good idea?  I've never thought of hitting them before.  They don't have psyclones of course but I might make a bit of cash from the gun sales.

I can't really see that working. The reason they're angry with you in the first place was because you were damaging their property, and going in and killing their guards will just make them even angrier. Also bribe costs should go up. The compensation request that appear out of the blue might have a different amount, but I don't see any positive results coming out of it. The only real way of getting them back on their good side is to start raiding their enemies.

Any of the gangs are decent targets to go after if you want to raise a bit of cash from the loot, and it ensures Megapol, and anyone that's been slighted by the gangs, will appreciate your efforts a bit more. Diablo do sell incendiary grenades, so your call if you want to remain amicable with them.

To be on the safe side, I'd stick to just the Cult or one of the gangs for raids, but you might want to raid someone that will supply Elerium Pods instead of Psiclones. These pods turn into Elerium for your ship guns once you return to the cityscape, which means you can keep yourself supplied even if there's none left on the market. The two main political parties, the Extropians and Technocrats, have office complexes that have the odd elerium pod lying around. If you're interested, then go political. Pick a party to support and go after the rival. Posted Image

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 09:28 AM

Is there a way for proximity mines to work more like a proximity mine? I like the idea of being able to change the radius, but the downside is trying to goad an alien (Popper) into running into the mine before the turns expires. So far I've only been able to sucker a Anthropod into the trap, but in the last mission I was in there was a total of 6 Poppers. It seems as if they intentionally waited until the four turns were up before coming after my agents. Keep in mind I hadn't moved any of my men during those 4 turns, they just sat there. Am I missing something?

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 10:15 PM

Sorry for the lack of updating, I got behind over Christmas and haven't been able to get back to my daily videos yet.  I should be able to get back on track here in the next few days.

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 09:41 AM

I think most of us were a bit switched off for the end-of- and start-of-year celebrations. Posted Image

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Since you had the ability to fly, it may have been easier to get into cover inside the compound by moving along then flying over the fence rather than fight it out at the gate.


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Right after JG's epic kill on the cultist, there was a psiclone on the altar nearby.


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Enemies come through the lift and repair bay. If you buy a new base, don't build a repair bay so that all enemies will be forced to enter through the lift. Surround it with security stations to soften them up. If you want to assign any vehicles at the new base, you can repair them by parking them at a base with a repair bay.

The base attack is a good example why you may want to move out some of the techs since you had to give up half your slots just for them.

Fighting large groups of enemies in the open is not a very good idea. Try to pull back pick off the invaders as they chase after  you. Also focus fire on anyone carrying the rocket launcher. You've already experienced how nasty it is. The alien version that you will be experiencing later on is a lot worse.

That new UFO isn't the Bomber, it's the Destroyer. The Bomber's green and has the multi missile, which would have destroyed your Hoverbikes. The Bomber also carries a very important alien that you'll be wanting to capture. Note: Stun gas and especially psionic stun will not work against it. You need stun grapples for it.


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Toxiguns are better vs aliens, but are tempered by their low ammo count. Unless you're carrying a truck load of ammo on your troops, you want to stick to the Devastators for the more general combat against non-shielded enemies.  

That was a novel way to get people to a building with no vehicle tubes, but then then that weird bug emerged. Notice how all the while your people were moving at a strange diagonal angle across the city that they were still showing as being present at Megatribe Warriors just below their names. I think the game isn't expecting that behaviour so wasn't setting the agent locations properly once they got off the ship.

The next time you try this, perhaps park nearby, get your agents on foot, walk across to a different building, then move them to the destination.


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Don't rely on the basic formation when you're defending an area. Take the time to manually spread your agents out so that they don't shoot each other in the back. Devastators make friendly fire deadly!

This mission is one case where the flying ability comes in handy against the poppers. This would have been a perfect opportunity to capture a popper if you needed one.

Not sure what was going wrong with your soldiers not shooting the hyperworms, but I suspect flying and the low profile of the worm may have been part of the problem here. That is, your agent wasn't able to see it properly. Moving back may have helped.

I'm thinking having the whole team in flying suits is proving to be a lot more detrimental to your cause. They're bunching up in the air and are easy targets for your enemies to shoot at. I'm noticing your flying troops are often getting into situations where they cannot see their targets due to overhangs and other projecting structures, thus cutting off their ability to support other team mates. They're also having trouble shooting at targets just beneath them. You might need to bring back some Megapol chest plates and have some dedicated ground support.

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 01:03 AM

I think you're right about the flying suits, now that poppers are starting to become less of a problem (assuming we can shoot straight) the strength of the other armor might be what I need.  These one shot kills are tearing me apart.


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Luckily cash isn't a problem at the moment, but this certainly continues to make things interesting.

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 09:49 PM

JG Shows us how to be a hero...



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Posted 09 January 2016 - 03:07 AM

It's reaching the part of the game where your team's getting worn out by the damage. In which case, you want to focus your research on the disrupter shields - they'll help heaps. With enough of them you can often chance taking wounded agents into combat. Each shield you carry acts as a layer of recharging health. The type of armor you are wearing does not count until all the shields are destroyed, so you can get away with wearing the lighter Marsec parts if you need to reduce your carrying weight.

By the way, try not to make too many holes in the walls with the devastator cannons. It does make it easier to move about, but the owners will not like it very much. If the owners are hostile, or you're fighting in a UFO, then that's perfectly okay. Posted Image

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 05:20 PM

 Nookrium, on 08 January 2016 - 09:49 PM, said:

JG Shows us how to be a hero...


Thought my guy was a goner too and would soon join Jachin.  Amazing way to pull out a win.

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 06:51 PM

It's been a rough week in Mega-Primus...
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Things are rather grim but at least I have cash, I think as long as I can get some recruits in before I have a base defense I might be alright.  
I've been rewatching some of my more successful (and not so much) missions and I think I might finally be learning a thing or two about how to deal with RT.  Things typically seem to go well when I can get into a proper position and can defend a spot (from a proper distance), it's when I have to go in searching is when I get annihilated.  

Problem is I'm still clueless as to how not to get annihilated when moving in and searching for the remaining ones...

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:35 AM

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Problem is I'm still clueless as to how not to get annihilated when moving in and searching for the remaining ones...

First, muscle memory - Aggresive mode always and I mean ALWAYS, you only use normal mode if you want to have fancy shmancy cover sidestepping never else and even that should not be used. Second don't bunch up. Dual wielding lowers your accuracy, except when using pistols like Toxiguns. Third. You are not flanking. Last few videos. Three people make a shootout and the other three is just standing around the corner admiring the walls. Come one, move them. Get those shields ASAP, if you will get Enthropy Launchers I predict a super fail 5000. There is a trick in RT to put everything on the ground for few seconds but that has a limit on how many shots armour can take.
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