FullAuto, on 04 January 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:
How am I to judge someone on what they do, if that information is unknown to me? I cannot. I must make my decisions based upon the information I have. I cannot make decisions based on information I do not have. This is a discussion on the internet. Not a log of one's daily actions.
You still haven't answered my question of whether words or actions are the better judge of a person's character. That's OK though
In an ideal world, perhaps. Certainly in the real world, I cannot simply say to people "You are treating me unfairly." and that alone will make them alter their behaviour. The real world doesn't work like that. If I am actually being treated unfairly, there may or may not be means of redress. If I merely feel I am being treated unfairly, my only likely means of redress will be to add it to my Tough Shit list and soldier on. The world is a harsh place. People will say things to you and about you that you will not like. You cannot stop them saying it; the only thing you can control is how you act afterwards.
To me one of the major issues with the world is precisely that people don't express themselves when they feel they are being treated unfairly. Just a little clarification on my part: when you say 'feel' do you mean both conscious thoughts and body emotions? Because that's how I use that term.
The false equivalence given to the viewpoints. You seem to think what silencer is saying is equally as factual as what anyone else says, when, sadly, this is not the case. Do you really want me to go through everything he has said and pick out every piece of bullshit? I'm not sure either of us will live that long.
Judge only by the words written here and you'll get only partial views of everyone. I have my own prejudices like everyone else although they apply more to people in general than to specific groups or minorities.
Just to begin with: the video silencer posted to begin this lovely discussion is from 2008 (https://en.wikipedia...lturno_massacre
). Using my degree in time travel, I can tell you that this footage predates the 'migrant crisis' (2015). So it's nothing to do with the migrant crisis. It is, at best, an unwitting lie, put forward to advance a certain viewpoint. If the 'other side' isn't lying or wrong (or both), then they're going about it in a strange way, involving nothing but digressions, evasions, whataboutery, and every tactic under the sun apart from engaging honestly in the subject at hand.
Agreed with everything you posted there. Blatant lies should be exposed for what they are.
But, for instance, Silencer_pl mentioned gypsies a while ago and I remembered the following situation: you have a grocery store in a location where a gypsy community lives close by. Every week, and sometimes every day you have gypsy kids walking into your store and pretending to buy stuff while they try instead to steal stuff. You already complained to the police several times but even when they arrest someone the kids will be back. So you buy a frog sculpture and place it by the entry of the store because people say that gypsies don't enter places with frogs. And you complain about gypsies to every customer that walks in and tell them what happened in the past.
Now, would you call the store owner a bigot? According to my beliefs this person has attitudes about gypsies that are xenophobic/racist, but I also actually know this person, the store is in my neighbourhood where I grew up so I've experienced the situation first hand, and I've also taught gypsy kids and know a bit about them.
And another real life example: my father was born and grew up in colonial Mozambique, where it wasn't so bad as South Africa since our fascist regime said that everyone was portuguese, but in reality there was widespread discrimination and unfair treatment to the black native populations. And I heard my father sometimes say the worst things about black people, that they were monkeys, had no civilization, etc. But at the same time he had black friends, he was a doctor and would treat anyone for free if they couldn't pay, and once I even saw him smiling to a black employee at MacDonald's and saying that he was also African like them.
Again I ask the question: would you call my father a bigot? I did a few times and I also chose not to follow his example in a few matters, but when you automatically classify people as 'bigots' you're simply reducing them to a label and choosing not to understand anything about them. Which, to me, can be very close to what the real 'bigots' do.
I do not respect such views. I tolerate them. Tolerance and respect are two different things.
This is what I wanted to say instead of what I did. Thanks.